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Alx 08-20-2010 10:39 PM

On this Luger, there are no acceptance stamps along the right side of the barrel extension where they are ususally found on military guns. The toggle does not seem to have been scrubbed, or it would have visibly lost metal height, which it hasn't.

Are we sure that the Mauser 'banner' were roll-stamped by Mauser ?

When I locate my 30x power hand microscope, ( a Radio Shack item ) I will look at the stamp to see if there are any pantographic-looking wiggles in the 'banner'.

Jack Lawman 08-20-2010 10:54 PM

1947
 
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I know it's apples and oranges, but this one made it out of the Colt factory in 1947 (2nd series, two digit serial #, first year series production). Haven't seen too many 4 speared Colts around:

Alx 08-21-2010 07:44 AM

Has anyone ever seen a mis-struck Mauser banner ?

tomaustin 08-21-2010 10:05 AM

so, we think some guy is in his shop on his cnc machine
 
turning out toggles and building lugers and would not get the logo correct? will someone please post a photo of a dated luger to directly compare the production finish on this exact model....tom

Mauser720 08-21-2010 11:17 AM

Any CNC ("computer numeric control") machine is not the same as a Pantograph which is mentioned above. A Pantograph is usually manually controlled. The operator manually traces the outline of whatever is being duplicated.

Ardennes 08-21-2010 08:53 PM

Please note also that the width of the bevel where it enters the rear toggle link is much wider on top (R) than it is on the bottom (L) as shown in the second photo. Highly suspect !!

Ron Wood 08-21-2010 10:23 PM

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Geez guys, let it go. We can over analyze it till the cows come home, but it isn't a fake just a factory error that got through. If you don't think that is possible I'll bet I can come up with one that is even more blatant. It is what it is. If you don't believe me, here is a G date that I blanked out the serial number on because I don't have the owner's permission to release it. Tell me what is wrong with the gun and explain how it ever left the factory that way.

Jack Lawman 08-21-2010 11:11 PM

No scallop at the front of the receiver at the serial number flat. WOW! Is the right side missing the scallop also?

I think alanint hit the nail on the head:
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Originally Posted by alanint (Post 182073)
I don't think any inspector anywhere looks at gun markings more minutely than this crowd! 8^)


Gun Buddy 08-21-2010 11:18 PM

Interesting, and it appears there is hardly any wear there. I guess the fwd part of the frame and the sideplate keep the extra material from contacting the holster, thus preventing wear. How it got out is anybody's guess, but another thing to keep in mind is that inspection sometimes gets overruled by a higher authority.

Ron Wood 08-22-2010 12:15 AM

Yeah Jack, the scallop is missing on both sides...a slab side Mauser. Kind of makes a double stamp banner pale in comparison. Love your Colt by the way. Wish I still had mine.

Vlim 08-22-2010 06:59 AM

Ron nice example,

Now for the devil's advocate role:

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explain how it ever left the factory that way.
Can you prove that it did? :D

alanint 08-22-2010 08:05 AM

It was the Friday of the opening of Octoberfest!

Vlim 08-22-2010 08:31 AM

http://data.motor-talk.de/data/galle...fest-57566.jpg

LugerVern 08-22-2010 09:01 AM

We see broken die Company Logo stamps often, the parts are not rejected by the inspectors. I think it had a very low priority in the big picture of things.

Vern

sheepherder 08-22-2010 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood (Post 182133)
...and explain how it ever left the factory that way.

It is a Mittagessenkasten Luger... :)

Railsplitter 08-22-2010 10:59 AM

Octoberfest !!! Love it !!!

nukem556 08-22-2010 08:04 PM

sweet!
 
is that a real road sign, and when's the next Schutzenfest there??? burrrrrrp.......

Alx 08-23-2010 09:18 PM

'Reminds me of the way Click and Clack digress into laughs when their Car Talk answers are inconclusive.
( I was on their radio show once, and had that treatment personally. ) It's great entertainment.

I am pretty much a detail person, myself, and had this Luger for about a month before I noticed that the banner logo looked a bit 'darker' or heavier on the right side of the banner/barrel. My eyes are not such sharp at close distances to see its exact details without a magnifying glass.

It is easy to see how it could be passed without notice, and maybe as Vern says, the inspectors may not have been as concerned with the logo stamp as they are with pressure tests and tolerances.

Ardennes 08-23-2010 10:20 PM

Thank you Mr. Wood.


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