Re: Matching Luger question - Don't Shoot!
 

I can't believe it--all this for replacing an extractor. Find the right number if you can Denny. I doubt that the Gods will decend on you. The Luger will be more desirable to you, look better and who will know the difference a year from now. I wish some of our "fake detectives" would go after ben ladin and leave you guys alone. It isn't like you are a thief trying to fake a Million $ Luger!!!! and then palm it off for 2 mil.

Re: Matching Luger question - Don't Shoot!
 

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That's a hash mark, I'm writing this down in my little black book, one extractor in a re-blued gun...


Art, you just never know? Denny might be knocking on your door next week trying to sell that bugger and get ya!


heh, heh,


Ed

Re: Matching Luger question - Don't Shoot!
 

Hi Bill,


I have to respectfully disagree. â??Not getting caughtâ?� isnâ??t the same thing as being honest :-(


Best regards,


Kyrie

Re: Kyrie is Right on Target
 

Hi Like,


Actually there are ways to spot most types of parts swapping - itâ??s a skill acquired over the years and the examination of a lot of Lugers. We emphatically do not have to live with it. A newbie buying his first high dollar collector grade Luger is well advised to have it examined by an older collector before plunking down his money. Or buy from an established collector/dealer with a good reputation who stands behind his Lugers.


Best regards,


Kyrie

Re: Vet bring back non-collector piece?
 

Hi Ed,


Lugers, unlike Colt 1911A1â??s were not made with fully interchangeable parts - there was a lot of hand fitting done during final assembly. When a part was replaced due to breakage that new part was numbered to the pistol for a very good reason - it might not work in any other Luger. Replacement parts were not numbered until they were used, and when used were numbered to the pistol.


Best regards,


Kyrie

Re: Matching Luger question - Don't Shoot!
 

Hi Art,


Actually itâ??s taking a $300 shooter and making it look like a $1200 collector grade gun. It wonâ??t fool most older collectors, but it will snag a newbie, and clipping a fellow for $900 is still not a nice thing to do.


Best regards,


Kyrie

Medic! I'm hit! (Osama Bin Luger)
 

You found me out folks. I'm really Osama Bin Luger, the pistol-faking terrorist who lies in wait at gunshows for anyone other than the venerable and holy "experts" here.


Seriously, please keep your eyes open for me (the magic number is "61").


I swear on my copy of the anarchists' cookbook that my pistol will never be passed off as anything other than what it is (MINE!).


Thanks for your replies both on- and offline. Happy holidays!


Denny

Re: Matching Luger -A Perponderance?
 

A high percentage of the Lugers out there show signs of having a screwdriver used on the takedown lever. This is not from the sideplate not matching, but from someone that has no idea how a Luger is torn down.

Seriously Doubt Anyone Can Tell
 

Hi,

There are a few small parts that one can tell have been changed if you know what to look for, like the extractor on a Mauser, or the side plate, but most like the rear connecting pin or the trigger in my opinion can not be detected. You are not committing fraud as you are restoring the gun back to an all matching gun from one that isn't. Someone else replaced the part with an incorrect one, and you can speculate all you want as to who, and what there reason was. This does not change the fact that the gun does not now have all matching numbers. You own the gun and you put a value on what is important to you -- all matching or not. In my opinion one should feel good to have restored a piece back to all matching, and shouldn't feel on bit guilty about replacing a mismatched part. Think about this, if you did not personally pick the Luger up at the factory, how do you know that any matching Luger is all original?

Re: Matching Luger -A Perponderance?
 

Johnny, I have seen a few that were impossible to take down without a leverage tool of some kind! That is not right, I have fairly strong fingers (I used them all day long) so I can say with good probability that something was amiss! My fingernails would break before the sucker would turn! ~Thor~

Re: Matching Luger -A Perponderance?
 

Johnny,

My "Bavaria Rural Police" Luger had been salt blued, but was all matching, however the Takedown Lever had been actually mangled by someone with a heavy hand. Shame.

Some good points, bill m. (EOM)
 

Re: Matching Luger -A Perponderance?
 

Luke,

You occasionally see one that the lever has actually been bent down in an attempt to move it.

Re: Matching Luger -A Perponderance?
 

Dok's Luger's takedown was bent so bad and worked so poorly that it had to be replaced and the new takedown/sideplate fit had to be adjusted. Thor




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Re: Matching Luger question - Don't Shoot!
 

Good comments. I'm pretty sure that one of the KU lugers mentioned in a previous discussion with a W/154 G date armour's spare barrel, is an unnumbered unissued barrel that I sold some years ago to a restorer who specializes in doing Kreighoffs. He claims to have refinished at least 25% of all of the KH PO8s listed by serial number in Gibson's book. Tom h.

Re: Arf! Arf!
 

Big Norm,


Ah gott wun, butt hit's in ma Navy an U kant hav hit!

Re: Seriously Doubt Anyone Can Tell
 

All this part replacing makes we wince when I read the classifieds where people are scouring the woods for a particular numbered part. And often the parts they are looking for are major ones, certain to interfere with proper functioning. IMO such ads should not be accepted in the Luger forum classifieds. There may be no fraud intended, but inevitably some buyer down the line will get hurt.