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Bill Hibbert 02-01-2008 12:47 AM

ok.. and a last question.. if it is original.. and not blued what is it worth.. Again.. I have taken it apart.. all numbers are the same.. other than the clip do you have a range

Zamo 02-01-2008 01:04 AM

1937 S/42's are pretty common, for an uncommon gun :)
"If" it hasn't been reblued, and "If" the serial numbers all match, then it becomes dependent on the remaining finish. Some of your pictures make the finish look a little tarnished, as though there's been some rust here or there. Hopefully your next set of pictures will clarify this. That could be the deciding factor on a final price. very rough ballpark until all these variables are known would be, in my less than expert opinion somewhere between $1000 and $1600 compared to other S/42's I've seen lately. As reference, a pistol that is reblued, or mismatched has little collectors value and is refered to as a "shooter" and they top out at about a grand, with some pretty nice ones selling for about $800-$900. So being as yours is all matching, it's worth at least a bit more than that (if it turns out to have the original finish). From what the pictures show, all other things being taken into account I'd say it's probably closer to the $1200-$1400 range. Early S/42's with the strawed componants (Strawing was a sort of controlled heat discoloration of the metal into a goldish color in lieu of blueing) generally bring in a bit higher price than their all blued bretheren, but the finish on yours doesn't look all that perfect (not trying to be mean, just honest) from these pictures, and so I think a frank and honest price would be somewhere around $1300 +/-
But as you can see, I'm a bit of a newbie here, and this is only a very semi educated guess.

One lasts thing I'd like to add, is that you really, really, REALLY should do what you can to keep it. It's a family heirloom, and once it's gone, and the money pays a bill here or a car payment there, it's gone. FOREVER. Your Dad held onto it for all these years, so it clearly meant something to him. And you mentioned the fun you had shooting it with him, those memories will always be a little more "real" when you hold this piece of steel and wood. Without it they will just be memories, and even the best memories fade.
I don't know your age, or if you have any children, but even if you do, and they aren't interested in it, who's to say their kids may not one day be? Or theirs? The value on these things is only going up. The Third Reich is out of business, and won't be making any more of these. It is a family link to the most significant historical event of the last 100 years or more. And you, your kids, your grandkids can hold it, even shoot it. When it's gone, that's it...You will always be able to get more money, but you won't be able to get another "Father's" Luger. Sell the others. Keep this one, it's the one which seems to be the jewel of the collection.

Navy 02-01-2008 07:15 AM

"You will always be able to get more money, but you won't be able to get another "Father's" Luger. Sell the others. Keep this one, it's the one which seems to be the jewel of the collection."

Truer words were never spoken.

Tom A

Tom Whiteman 02-01-2008 08:00 AM

Bill, I based my comment about the gun being reblued on the fact that the safety lever, trigger and take down lever all look blued and they should be straw colored. However, as people have pointed out, it is hard to tell from photos. I would love to be wrong and to find out your gun is all original, but the blued small parts is not a good sign in my opinion. As always..... of course I could be wrong.. :)

Bill Hibbert 02-01-2008 08:24 AM

Hi Tom.. I understand its hard to tell by photos.. I will be shooting a few more with the gun unassembled within the hour.. I talked to my brother this morning and he remembers the story that a nurse that my dad knew. Served over seas.. and that a german officer was shot was taken into a field hospital She found it hidden in his clothing and took it away from the injured officer. later she gave it to my father. Just to get any type of guns out of her house. I will confirm that with my mom.. if she knows. . Did an earlier post say there is a gun show.. in Allentown pa? this weekend?

CLIFTON 02-01-2008 08:35 AM

Bill,

Get 2007 " The blue book of gun values" and you will figure out the price.

clifton

Bill Hibbert 02-01-2008 09:08 AM

Well.. I took it apart.. Funny I still rememberd how to do it.. and The gun has been blued.. or at least some of the moving componets and the flat spring on the one side seem more bluish under better light.. the barrell and body of the gun do not.. but looking close like the pins they look blue. Again I am only a novice. its funny the knerelled grip to pull back does not look blued..just some smaller parts pins, flat plate/spring? on one side I will still get better photos for you to see

Bill

Bill..

Ron Smith 02-01-2008 11:18 AM

I'm with Clifton on this one. I don't think it's a reblue.

Ron

Ron Wood 02-01-2008 11:50 AM

I will chip in as another Ron that does not think it's a reblue.

Bill Hibbert 02-01-2008 12:00 PM

well I hope you guys are correct here are some other photos..
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/mvc272s.jpg
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/mvc286s.jpg
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/mvc289s.jpg
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/mvc290s.jpg
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/mvc292s.jpg
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/mvc293s.jpg


some of the darker photos show what I am talking about those parts have a blueish tint

Edward Tinker 02-01-2008 12:10 PM

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Al, then my guess from last night is probably close to what it is worth.

The circled area was the one I thought looked blue-ish, now it looks fine....


Keep me in mind for the colt ;)

LugerVern 02-01-2008 12:15 PM

Looks "Good" to me too! :)

Vern

Pete Ebbink 02-01-2008 01:12 PM

Did a price ever get posted for this one...?

Here are some similar offerings at Simpson LTD...keep in mind they usually are at the high-end of retail :

http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?...sort=2a&page=3

The folks at FGS have a similar offering as well on this page :

http://www.fgsfirearms.com/lugers.ph...&subcat=Mauser

Edward Tinker 02-01-2008 01:34 PM

I have moved this from the for sale section to the new colelctors part of the forum, once a price has been decided on, then it can be palced there.

Zamo 02-01-2008 01:58 PM

These pictures make it look a lot nicer than your previous pictures. That should make it worth quite a bit more.

Pete Ebbink 02-01-2008 02:28 PM

Bill,

The gun's overall finish is called "blue"...usually a rust blue (steam and chemical rusting process) or a dipped, salt blue process (a chemical immersion process with various chemicals at high temps)...depending on maker. year, model.

The "blue" you see on some of your gun's smaller parts are fire-blued...a heat treatment process which leaves a much brighter blue...

Strawed (or the golden colored) small parts are also done with a heat treament, only, process...similar to the fire-blue.

John Sabato 02-01-2008 03:52 PM

Looks like an honest (pre-hot salt) rust blued '37 S/42 to me... wish I could afford to buy it from you.

Frank 02-01-2008 04:51 PM

Sorry I was so late! Looks good to me too!! FWIW!!:)

OLDJARHEAD 02-01-2008 07:32 PM

If you want an auction . Put in on GunBroker.com or AuctionArms.com .

Bill Hibbert 02-01-2008 10:30 PM

no i am not looking to auction it off.. the people in this group have been fair with me.. I promised I would put it up here first. The problem is now . other family members have found out about it.. and causing confusion as to sell it or not and or what is a fair market price.. that is not a question for the group. I understand your just giving me information to help us sell it fairly..


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