Jim
Thanks for the photograph.
Jan

1938 3483m SE83 / SE 63 MTP. matching mag has SE83

1938 7433g Looks like SE83 / SE 63 MTP. The first is hard to tell but under light and magnification looks like an 83.

hope this helps.

M. Holt

Jan,
1937 S/42 S/N 6047u DE63 DE63 MTP
1938 S/42 S/N 6796i SE63 SE63 MTP
1938 S/42 S/N 1242k SE63 SE63 MTP
Lyn

byf42 and Idoman
Thanks for your data. Table updated.
Jan

Not real clear how this one fits in, but here's my Luger:

"1938"
SN#7692 (BUT mismatched S/42 gothic "S" toggle)
Left proof: Stick Eagle "63" (strong & definite)
Middle proof: Stick Eagle "?" (faint worn 2-digit die)
Right proof: "Imperial" (type) eagle
VOPO gun mit Neu Brandenburg marking

1937 S/42 sn 4497x DE/63 DE/63 MTP

maxcam
Thanks for the data. As it is not certain if frame and receiver match, I will have to pass.
Freisch�¼tz
Thanks for the data. Table updated.
Jan

Jan:

1938 S/42 (SN) 9104m SE83-SE63-MTP. Another to add to your data base. Good luck with your survey.

Best Regards,
Bob

Bob
Thanks for the data. Table updated.
Good collecting!
Jan

Here's mine,

1937 S/N 2604 v DE63,DE63,MTP
1937 S/N 9512 y SE63,SE63,MTP
1937 S/N 6805 y SE63,DE63,MTP
1938 S/N 3235 SE63,SE63,MTP ( upper only )

Best of luck, Daniel

Daniel
Thanks for the information. Table updated
Jan

Jan,

Actually the frame and 1938-dated receiver DO match. The number 7692 appears on the left side of the receiver just above the thumb latch. The same number 7692 also appears on the front of the frame below the barrel. There is no letter with either number. Neither number is struck over or ground off. Both pieces show field use.

The sideplate, toggle and toggle-link are the mismatched parts: Toggle link is marked "S/42" BUT with a Fraktur style "S" which I take to be a 1934 part. The toggle & link assembly appear to be a brand-new condition unit based on their identical color and like-new satiny finish.

Can you tell me this about my gun: Because the mismatched Mauser coded toggle-assembly appears to be a 1934(?) part and NOT original to the 1938 receiver and frame, could the 1938 dated receiver and frame be any other manufacturer BESIDES Mauser?

If so, what other manufacturer could such a 1938-dated Luger with no other marking outside of proof stamps be?

Thanks!

max2cam
Thanks for the information.

Your 1938 dated Luger is a partly mismatched Vopo rework(these Lugers are sometimes re-manufactured from mismatched parts). My experience with reworks is that mismatched parts can be made to match. Sometimes the serial number on the front of the frame will be machined off and matched by applying newly stamped letters. Sometimes such a reworked/reserialed frame can be difficult to detect. Such an example is shown on page 114 of Weimar Lugers.

The research at hand concerns the acceptance stamps and serial numbers found on 1937 and 1938 dated Lugers applied during the manufacturing/proofing process. In my opinion, it is best to leave out reworked Lugers, to avoid possible mistakes.
Jan

Jan,

You know your stuff!

I went back and dismantled my Luger and took a closer look at the number on the frame. Sure enough, it does look ground off there and with a magnifying glass I can detect 2 faint numbers behind the "7692." So this Luger appears to be more of parts gun than I thought.

Am I correct to think the Fraktur "S" S/42 toggle assembly makes that a 1934-only part?

The stamping on the receiver looks original, but who knows!

Yes, a VOPO gun. From somebody elses post I think it has the Neu Brandenburg VOPO sunburst marking and district number. Also shows the capture "X".

This gun must have had an interesting history -- or "guns" in this instance.

Thanks!

Jan,

This is a late reaction, but my job kept me away from my Luger for more then a full month...

Before I go to the basement with a magnifying glass and a torch, I would like to know if you want data from all the 1937 dated Lugers. Apart from 2 S/42 I also have:
Krieghoff (1),
Latvian contract v suffix (5)
Commercial (2) v suffix.

The 4 1938 dated I have are all S/42 stamped.

As soon as you tell me what to look for, and what not, I will do the job and let you know the results shortly.

Best regards,

cleaning out my archieve: 1938 S/42 SE/83 SE/63, two matching SE/63 mags. SER# 6526 t, have pictures, but sold on GB 2/04

Jan,
All matching 1937 S/42 Sn: 3997 (suffix is either a "Z" or "Y"-there was a thread with this debate a few months ago on my Luger where most think it is a "Z". Due to the gothic script, it's hard to read).

-Straight Wing 63
-Drooped Wing 63
-(next bird is the typical one: like John Sabato's '37 S/42 sn:8091a MTP????)

minigun
Thanks for the information. Table updated.
trigger
The "t" sn range may be in error. Please check.
Thanks
Jan

1937 S/42, sn 671 s, DE/63 DE/63 MTP


http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/proofs_copy1.jpg

Jan 1937 S-42 Serial number 1789q DE 63 DE 63 MTP Straw Bill LYON