Rare Mauser 714 - Page 2

alvin · 02-01-2015, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

I'd like to now more myself, but so far I've not seen many books about Broomhandles around and in the Net there is not much either...

Sergio

I heard Antaris is working on a new book in this domain. His existing book on Astra pistol (the newer thick one) is a great book too.

alvin · 02-02-2015, 06:30 AM

This model actually appears on Stoeger's catalog. Attached is page 159 of 1939 catalog. At the bottom of the page, Stoeger mentioned the actual model for sale does not have firing control switch as shown in their ad photo. And, there is no stock listed for sale either. That should put the final nail on the coffin of "existence of M711". On the catalog, this is called "Genuine Mauser Twenty Shot 7.63m/m Pistol", but they were a little bit lazy and used an early Westinger M712 photo for advertisement illustration purpose. So, the historical existence and the configuration is real.

For year of production, more researching is needed.

Sergio Natali · 02-02-2015, 11:06 AM

Alvin

Congratulations on your new broomhamdle then!

Sergio

alvin · 02-02-2015, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

Alvin

Congratulations on your new broomhamdle then!

Sergio

Thanks.

At peak time, I had more than 50 broomhandles in safe. Too crowd

So selling a few from time to time. Have not used any auction services nor dealer consignment services so far. But for this gun, probably have to send it to an auction service in future. Usually, people dare not buy very high value gun from private sale.

Sergio Natali · 02-02-2015, 12:28 PM

Yes no doubt many people are a bit wary in these cases, a part from the fact that probably buying from a gunshop or from an auction is not always a guarantee for the genuinity of the item either.
Here for instance there is very little knowledge about Lugers and C96.
Even people that have been collecting/dealing with these two sort of guns for yonks still make terrific mistakes.

Sergio

P.S.

Anyway chapeau! to you.

alvin · 02-02-2015, 02:24 PM

That's right. My two "tuition" guns all came from auctioneers. To return something back to auctioneers was as hard as going to the moon. All sales are final, that's the biggest risk.

But I still monitor auctions. And, I gradually start understanding why many collectors, including many well known collections were sent to auction houses. Not because they are selling fakes (although they could misrepresent certain items occasionally). Auction houses marketing is strong, and they do carry many good items.

One evidence -- RIAC could sell mint M1930 without stock to $6000-$7000. There definitely is a trust factor inside. Not all bidders could spend tons of time on studying guns, but they have money. Which individual collector seller could push it to that level. Probably none.

And, gun like standard C96, although being common, while in high condition, it could go crazy too. People bid one mint example from Sturgess collection to $9k-$10k range last year (with Simpson's stamp on its butt!!).. If it were not sold via Julia, I seriously doubt it could go 50% of that.

alvin · 02-06-2015, 06:28 AM

Final report on this to close this story: there is no 2nd one.

02-02-2015, 11:06 AM	#3
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Alvin Congratulations on your new broomhamdle then! Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

02-02-2015, 12:28 PM	#5
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Yes no doubt many people are a bit wary in these cases, a part from the fact that probably buying from a gunshop or from an auction is not always a guarantee for the genuinity of the item either. Here for instance there is very little knowledge about Lugers and C96. Even people that have been collecting/dealing with these two sort of guns for yonks still make terrific mistakes. Sergio P.S. Anyway chapeau! to you. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

02-02-2015, 02:24 PM	#6
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	That's right. My two "tuition" guns all came from auctioneers. To return something back to auctioneers was as hard as going to the moon. All sales are final, that's the biggest risk. But I still monitor auctions. And, I gradually start understanding why many collectors, including many well known collections were sent to auction houses. Not because they are selling fakes (although they could misrepresent certain items occasionally). Auction houses marketing is strong, and they do carry many good items. One evidence -- RIAC could sell mint M1930 without stock to $6000-$7000. There definitely is a trust factor inside. Not all bidders could spend tons of time on studying guns, but they have money. Which individual collector seller could push it to that level. Probably none. And, gun like standard C96, although being common, while in high condition, it could go crazy too. People bid one mint example from Sturgess collection to $9k-$10k range last year (with Simpson's stamp on its butt!!).. If it were not sold via Julia, I seriously doubt it could go 50% of that. Last edited by alvin; 02-02-2015 at 04:20 PM.

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02-06-2015, 06:28 AM	#7
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Final report on this to close this story: there is no 2nd one.