American Eagle Luger

[sdmark777]

Doubs, I don't understand what you are saying about the safety marking changing from bare metal marking to gesichert? The checkered safety may have changed to the new grooved style, but the gesichert marking came way later, like after the 1906 model. Or did I misunderstand?

For example:
1)1900 AE with 5 digit serial # and late safety
2)1906 AE 9mm

[Doubs]

Originally Posted by sdmark777

Doubs, I don't understand what you are saying about the safety marking changing from bare metal marking to gesichert? The checkered safety may have changed to the new grooved style, but I thought the gesichert marking came way later, like after the 1906 model. Or did I misunderstand?

In the three volume set of red books by Gortz & Sturgess, on page 217 is a picture of serial number 8592 with "GESICHERT" in the lower position and with a grooved safety. So somewhere in the 300 numbers above your serial number it looks like they changed the safety and the marking.

[sdmark777]

OK. I don't have the Sturgess book, so I can not see what you are looking at. But, perhaps it has a picture of the new grooved safety on a much later luger (one with gesichert) for comparison with the old checkered safety on serial #8592. Maybe Sturgess was lazy and did not include a pic of of the grooved safety on a 1900 with bare metal marking as would be less confusing. I am guessing the pic of the grooved safety with GESICHERT is not from serial # 8592. I don't know when GESICHERT started to be marked on the frame, but to my knowledge GESICHERT was not used until at least sometime after 1906. Am I wrong about that?

[aldo35]

Hi,
Unfortunately this pistol has been touched up with, I am guessing, cold blue, to cover some worn .Perhaps the area under the safety was formerly shiny metal. I don't know and don't know what to do about cold blueing as it already detracts

Using a magnifying glass

The area under the safety is relieved, see picture #4, that I posted, but it has been cold blued. There doesn't appear the word "gesichert" was ever there.

Hope this helps
Aldo

[Doubs]

Originally Posted by sdmark777

OK. I don't have the Sturgess book, so I can not see what you are looking at. But, perhaps it has a picture of the new grooved safety on a much later luger (one with gesichert) for comparison with the old checkered safety on serial #8592. Maybe Sturgess was lazy and did not include a pic of of the grooved safety on a 1900 with bare metal marking as would be less confusing. I am guessing the pic of the grooved safety with GESICHERT is not from serial # 8592. I don't know when GESICHERT started to be marked on the frame, but to my knowledge GESICHERT was not used until at least sometime after 1906. Am I wrong about that?

Your model 1900 Luger is serial number 8293 and has the checkered safety lever and a bright polished safety marking. The model 1900 Luger in the G&S books is serial number 8592. At some unknown serial number between those two, a change was made to the design of the safety lever and "GESICHERT" added. I don't know how to say it any more clearly and this is my final word on the matter.

[gunbugs]

The 15,000 serial range 1900 I posted earlier has a grooved safety and an "in the white" safety marking. No Gesichert. I'm somewhat sure no 1900's were marked Gesichert. But I've been wrong before...

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