Import mark

[schutzen-jager]

used barrel installed before import - Finns were famous for cannibalizing captured foreign pistols + rifles for reissue - you neglected to mention connection wit Finland in your post -post WWI when Finland became independent they acquired large quantities of German pistols including c96 mausers + p08 lugers - in 1923 they standardized them all to 7.65 luger [ broomhandles included ] - Century imported them in late 80's + early 90's - the extremely rare ones are the P08's purchased direct from DWM in 1923 in 7.65 -

[Doubs]

Originally Posted by schutzen-jager

used barrel installed before import - Finns were famous for cannibalizing captured foreign pistols + rifles for reissue - you neglected to mention connection wit Finland in your post -post WWI when Finland became independent they acquired large quantities of German pistols including c96 mausers + p08 lugers - in 1923 they standardized them all to 7.65 luger [ broomhandles included ] - Century imported them in late 80's + early 90's - the extremely rare ones are the P08's purchased direct from DWM in 1923 in 7.65 -

Why would I mention Finland in my original post? They had nothing to do with the import marking on the barrel and the discussion was about import stamps.

Exactly on what "facts" are you basing your conclusions? You're making a lot of claims without proof. There's no way to prove who replaced the barrel or when but thousands of Lugers were re-barreled to 30 caliber with new barrels in the 1920's for sale on the commercial market and that is the most likely explanation.

[schutzen-jager]

Originally Posted by Doubs

Why would I mention Finland in my original post? They had nothing to do with the import marking on the barrel and the discussion was about import stamps.

Exactly on what "facts" are you basing your conclusions? You're making a lot of claims without proof. There's no way to prove who replaced the barrel or when but thousands of Lugers were re-barreled to 30 caliber with new barrels in the 1920's for sale on the commercial market and that is the most likely explanation.

try doing a little research before making definitive statements - try the books by Walter , Hoffschmidt , Berger + others - also search the 1988 + later catalogs published by Century arms - the 1920's barrels were manufactured in Finland by both Sako + Tikka - the small CAI above the faint Finn markings prove that barrel was replaced before import + size + content of import marks are consistant with late 80's early 90's import -

[Doubs]

Originally Posted by schutzen-jager

the 1920's barrels were manufactured in Finland by both Sako + Tikka - the small CAI above the faint Finn markings prove that barrel was replaced before import

First you claim it was "almost definitely" replaced by CAI before import.

Then you claim it was a used barrel when replaced. If the Finns replaced the barrel, it would have been new.

Skipping your uncalled for insults about research, of course the barrel was replaced before import... but WHEN? It's an Imperial Erfurt Luger from 1917 or 1918.

"Faint Finn markings"? WHERE, exactly? No such thing on that barrel. It has only the marks put there by CAI. In the 1990's, CAI imported Lugers from many places with Finland being but one country they came from.

As the Finns didn't adopt the Luger in 30 caliber before 1923 and Germany was prohibited from providing 9mm Lugers at that time - the reason Finland went with 30 caliber to begin with - why is it more likely that the Finns did the re-barrel than the Germans? The CAI stamp is the ONLY about the pistol to even suggest it was ever in Finland.

[schutzen-jager]

First you claim it was "almost definitely" replaced by CAI before import.

Then you claim it was a used barrel when replaced. If the Finns replaced the barrel, it would have been new. ]

my first post was made before you stated the Finn connection + the stampings below the CAI mark were not clear in your picture at all - the Finns were notorious for salvaging parts to recondition weapons + with out the clear Finn markings this would be totally possible - the m23 marking makes it a Finn manufactured bbl. + stamping appears much different then CAI marking above it - my so called insult is much less cutting then you basically calling me a liar back 11/2/20 in post about Luger stocks with ground lugs in old ATF regulations - the 7.65 was standardized in 1923 by Finns -the m23 below CAi on bbl. is Finn arsenal designation - the Finns were using large quantities of Lugers + Mausers in military service as soon as they declared independence from Russia prior to 1923

[Doubs]

Originally Posted by schutzen-jager

my first post was made before you stated the Finn connection + the stampings below the CAI mark were not clear in your picture at all -

The stampings in the picture are perfectly clear and if you had actually looked at them you'd have seen the M.23 stamp.

the Finns were notorious for salvaging parts to recondition weapons + with out the clear Finn markings this would be totally possible - the m23 marking makes it a Finn manufactured bbl. + stamping appears much different then CAI marking above it

ALL the markings are the identical size and font. Only the depth of the strikes are different. ALL of them were put there by CAI; NOT the Finns.

- my so called insult is much less cutting then you basically calling me a liar back 11/2/20 in post about Luger stocks with ground lugs in old ATF regulations -

So this is more about your hurt feelings a year and a half ago than anything else? I don't recall the discussion so maybe you could link it.

the 7.65 was standardized in 1923 by Finns -the m23 below CAi on bbl. is Finn arsenal designation -

Again, ALL the markings were put there by CAI. Or, maybe you can explain why the Finns would have stamped "GER" between M.23 and 7.65 PARA. Or the need to put 7.65 PARA there when that's the only cartridge the M.23 used. Furthermore, if G&S and Walter are to be believed, the Finns would have used M/23 and not M.23. Of course if you can provide a reference that the Finns marked their barrels with anything other than the maker's mark or left them bare, I'd like to see it.