Ejection problem

[admiral1960]

Will most likely buy from Tom and will be sure to identify the year / maker to him.

Thanks again for all the input.

When I obtain a replacement part I may be asking more questions.

All of you have a good Thanksgiving !!!!

[sheepherder]

I have long suspected that the ejector on the Luger does not do much of anything. Repeated instances of ejected cartridge cases smacking me in the forehead, hat, and arm have led me to believe that the extractor does the job of ejecting. I am of the opinion that the ejector is a 'belt and suspenders' kind of addition. Some individual Lugers may require it; some may not.

Georg Luger adapted the Parabellum pistol from Hugo Borchardt's C93 auto pistol. It does not use an 'ejector'. The extractor does the ejecting.

I have owned four Mauser C96 auto loading pistols. They also eject the cases up and back, not to the side. That pistol also does not use an 'ejector'. The extractor does the ejecting.

The Type 14 Nambu does not have an ejector. The extractor does the ejecting. And it also ejects up and back, not to the side.

Posts like this one make me think that Luger's adaptation was flawed in this respect. If the ejector was doing its job correctly then the cases should be coming out the side and back, not up and back. The broken ejector, left in, may be the cause of the stovepipes.

I have a parts P08 Luger that I will be fitting together this week, I am going to test shooting it with the ejector installed and with it not installed.

I'm not sure if a test like I described would be definitive. DWM/G. Luger adapted an existing design, and in making it better, they may have introduced unintended flaws. And the "Luger" was 'designed' for the 7.65mm bottleneck cartridge (a shortened Mauser C96 cartridge), not the 9mm cartridge. Another 'improvement' that may have its own feeding/extracting/ejecting failings.

My own long-held $.02 belief...

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by kurusu

Just remove the ejector and go shoot. You will soon find out it's there for a reason.

If you are getting spent cases on your head. The problem is with you, not the pistol.

I don't think so. It only happens with top extracting handguns. It may not happen with all Lugers. It may be that some extractors hold the shell tightly and some grip it loosely. When it pulls out of the chamber it may snap up & out. Or it may slide along until the ejector hits it.

I don't have the last two Lugers that I know ejected up & back. I'll have to ask my nephew if he's noticed it (he has them).

Limp wristing is not one of my many faults. Usually.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by kurusu

Just curious. You shoot one handed or two handed? The Luger wss designed when two hands shooting wasn't common. When one shoots two handed the gun ends up cliser to your face.

Two handed; the Weaver stance, I think it's called. It's not the way I was trained - The M1911 [military] training was one-handed, side-on to target. Later I shot the S&W Model 14, and later still, the M9 [Beretta]. Results of my military handgun qualification are in the pic below (he said, modestly). .

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

An object's direction of travel does not change unless/until there's a force applied to it.

Exactly. A tight extractor exerts force on the top of the case, squeezing it against the breech face. After it leaves the chamber, the case snaps up. A loose extractor doesn't exert any force - it just pulls. Until the case hits the ejector.

All good stuff, and all correct. The defining difference is in the individual Luger. I'm sure there are other factors involved as well. Mechanical and human.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by kurusu

Also curious. How many points in how many possibles and at what distance to get those? Like to know the size of the bullseye too.

You'd have to look all that up. I wasn't shooting in competition; for annual qualification only. Both rifle & pistol (the bronze device). Collection of targets was done by Combat Arms instructors. All shooting outdoors. It'll be 20 years ago next month. I'm lucky if I can remember my safe combination.