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[Sieger]

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Seiger,
No I just don't believe your one hole comment, unless as GT said, it is a "big" hole.
Kurusu "holding the X ring" is a far cry from one hole!

If you can document such a group I'll shut up.

I know what it takes to get a one hole group from a precision bench rest rifle, with a roll of paper moving behind it to to confirm that indeed, the number of rounds claimed were fired.

A Luger just will not do it, no matter how good your hand loads are.

I have "reasonable" expectations, neither "low" nor "pie in the sky".

Don,

Please feel free to comment as you would like to.

Yes, I do have many Luger fired, twenty-five yard, three-to-one-hole (defined as three shots touching) group targets as posted by me over the many years I have been active here. Does that meet YOUR definition of one hole groups? Maybe not.

"One hole" vs. "in the same hole" have two completely different meanings, as we both realize. For instance, a three shot one hole group could be a group with an 18 mm total spread, whereas, a three shot in the same hole group would have only a 9mm total diameter.

My post above regarded one hole groups, not, in the same hole groups, as you will note when you reread my post. Eight shots, in the same hole, would be a good group, indeed!

I hope this clarifies things a bit.

Comments?


Sieger

[kurusu]

This was filmed by a fellow shooter in a normal training session to divulge the service pistol event in our Club page. I was not trying to prove anything or show off. They are just two slow fire 5 shot strings nothing more.

I managed 1 8 ring shot at the begining of each string.

https://youtu.be/B1EPN5CBB_M

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by kurusu

This was filmed by a fellow shooter in a normal training session to divulge the sevice pistol event in our Club page. I was not trying to prove anything or show off. They are just two slow fire 5 shot strings nothing more.

I managed 1 8 ring shot at the begining of each string.

https://youtu.be/B1EPN5CBB_M

Kurusu,

I've seen this video in a much earlier posting here.

FANTASTIC free hand shooting with factory ammo.

Thanks for the memories!


Sieger

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Kurusu,

I've seen this video in a much earlier posting here.

FANTASTIC free hand shooting with factory ammo.

Thanks for the memories!


Sieger

First. I did weight those WWBs and separated those that were either too light or too heavy.

Second. WWB is not like that anymore.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by kurusu

First. I did weight those WWBs and separated those that were either too light or too heavy.

Second. WWB is not like that anymore.

Kurusu,

If available there, Vectran "AO" powder looks like a more accurate Luger powder to me.
You might give it a try.

Bullet weight variance look quite "variable" to me. This affects ultimate accuracy, as you know.


Sieger

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by kurusu

First. I did weight those WWBs and separated those that were either too light or too heavy.

Second. WWB is not like that anymore.

Kurusu,

Very sadly, I realize that .


Sieger

[DonVoigt]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Don,

Please feel free comment as you would like to.

Yes, I do have many Luger fired, twenty-five yard, three-in-one-hole (defined as three shots touching) group targets as posted by me over the many years I have been posting here. Does that meet YOUR definition of one hole groups? Maybe not.

I can also hold a .45 inch group, with a Finnish Mosin, at 100 yards, with my custom loads for it.

Comments?


Sieger

Thanks for the clarification.

Three shots touching is not "one hole" , IMO. However if you define it as one hole- fine.
If measured center to center, three 9mm shots could be 0.5" or .75" or more, not 0.36" - the diameter of a 9mm round.

A .45" Moisin group is an excellent group; and would be with most anything, except maybe a .22 lr.

As is often the case, misunderstanding is based in definitions.

Groups to me are of 5 or 10 rounds, fewer is not a real test of man or equipment, again JMHO.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Thanks for the clarification.

Three shots touching is not "one hole" , IMO. However if you define it as one hole- fine.
If measured center to center, three 9mm shots could be 0.5" or .75" or more, not 0.36" - the diameter of a 9mm round.

A .45" Moisin group is an excellent group; and would be with most anything, except maybe a .22 lr.

As is often the case, misunderstanding is based in definitions.

Groups to me are of 5 or 10 rounds, fewer is not a real test of man or equipment, again JMHO.

Don,

I'm glad that we can agree!


Sieger