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[DonVoigt]

Kyrie,
True dat, but I would still be interested in fps data from the SAME chrono from different "nato" marked loads. This would show relative differences, which are what are of interest to me.

I'm of the opinion that all "nato" loads are not the same, and many are not so "hot" to preclude their use in a luger.

Of course as usual the disclaimer, JMHO.

[Kyrie]

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Kyrie,
True dat, but I would still be interested in fps data from the SAME chrono from different "nato" marked loads. This would show relative differences, which are what are of interest to me.

I'm of the opinion that all "nato" loads are not the same, and many are not so "hot" to preclude their use in a luger.

Of course as usual the disclaimer, JMHO.

Well said :-)

Somewhere I have a U.S. Army FM that contains a warning not to use US produced commercial 9 mm Luger ammunition in the M9 (Beretta) handgun as US commercial 9 mm Luger ammo may be loaded to pressures that can damage US issue M9 pistols.

This stuff can get passing strange in fairly short order.

Part of that is, I think, due to bad preconceptions. Take, as an example, the 7.62x25 Tokarev cartridge. S&B lists their 7.62 Tok as having a 1600 FPS MV, so people expect to get 1600 FPS out of their TT-33s and Vz.52s. When all they get is something like 1400 FPS they wonder how S&B could get things so wrong.

The missing element here, and the root of the misconception, is S&B (like just about all munitions makers) take their MV measurements at the same time they do pressure testing, and from the same pressure test barrel. Which, for S&B, and for the 7.62 Tok cartridge is a barrel that is just shy of eleven inches in length. Small wonder people usually get circa 1400 FPS from TT-33/Vz.52 using S&B 7.62 Tok.

[rhuff]

Sometime in the past, I read a nice report about the "range" of velocities that were found in NATO 9mm ammo. It was quite staggering, to say the least. I will try and see if I can find this information and present it here. It was a well written article with good references.


When one reads the velocity rating for any brand and caliber of ammo, you must know how that was determined(i.e. barrel length, test barrel or production barrel, actual firearm or test barrel, etc.) in order to deduce the values as to your situation. A lot of variation exists in velocity rating from professional equipment and private equipment, but I feel the gap has closed down a lot in the recent years.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by rhuff

Sometime in the past, I read a nice report about the "range" of velocities that were found in NATO 9mm ammo. It was quite staggering, to say the least. I will try and see if I can find this information and present it here. It was a well written article with good references.


When one reads the velocity rating for any brand and caliber of ammo, you must know how that was determined(i.e. barrel length, test barrel or production barrel, actual firearm or test barrel, etc.) in order to deduce the values as to your situation. A lot of variation exists in velocity rating from professional equipment and private equipment, but I feel the gap has closed down a lot in the recent years.

Rhuff,

Great!

I hope you can find it!

Sieger