Calls For Repeal Of The Second Amendment

[ithacaartist]

Originally Posted by Major Tom

Taking away prayer and pledge of allegence in schools was wrong.

...except this never happened. Prayer is certainly allowed in schools, it's simply that it cannot be required, or led by school employees. Kids can take a wheel barrow full of bibles to school, or pray their guts out as long as they do it on their own.

The exhortations in 1990s' Berlin to "tear down that wall" were proper. Just as proper are the sentiments--over 200 years old--to "build up that wall," which is the one between church and state, a cornerstone of our secular democracy.

Although it doesn't rule it out, religiosity of any stripe does not automatically imbue morality. The notion that they are tied together is not productive, or even rational.

[robert6715]

Here is some good analysis on the "March for life" that I had not heard elsewhere.

https://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=330&pid=23259

https://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=330&pid=23287

And some rock solid analysis on gun violence in America.

https://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=330&pid=23313

Bills daily "No Spin News" podcast has some of the best news coverage I can find.

Rob

[Olle]

The gun control advocates say that "the American people doesn't want guns". Strangely enough, every time a new gun ban is discussed you'll see people running to the gun stores to stockpile guns and ammo. That alone is solid proof of what people really want. Maybe they just want themselves to have guns, but nobody else? Kinda like the criminals want it to be?

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Just as proper are the sentiments--over 200 years old--to "build up that wall," which is the one between church and state, a cornerstone of our secular democracy.

Although it doesn't rule it out, religiosity of any stripe does not automatically imbue morality. The notion that they are tied together is not productive, or even rational.

Hi,

I totally but respectfully disagree with you here.

In the Bill of Rights, the founders were specifically reacting to the time cherished European custom of making all citizens adopt the same religion as their ruler. The King of England's religion, therefore, had to be your religion. Ever wonder why so many of the early American settlers were of various religious minorities? They were fleeing this "requirement".

The separation of church and state "doctrine" sprang from a Supreme Court decision of Roosevelt's liberal court of that period. Before that time, their's was not the general interpretation of the First Amendment at all. Please read George Washington's Fair Well Address to the Nation in which he states that a non Christian democracy simply wouldn't work. I believe he has been proven correct!

This sounds like today, doesn't it? No commonality of accepted morality at all. Simply do your own thing!! Murder as many class mates as you want, and afterwards, claim that you are some kind of a victim!

I believe the notion that religion and morality are tied together is quite obvious to any deeply thinking man familiar with both, as our "non religious" (secular) society is now in the process of proving.


Respectfully,

Sieger

[Zorba]

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

...except this never happened. Prayer is certainly allowed in schools, it's simply that it cannot be required, or led by school employees. Kids can take a wheel barrow full of bibles to school, or pray their guts out as long as they do it on their own.

The exhortations in 1990s' Berlin to "tear down that wall" were proper. Just as proper are the sentiments--over 200 years old--to "build up that wall," which is the one between church and state, a cornerstone of our secular democracy.

Although it doesn't rule it out, religiosity of any stripe does not automatically imbue morality. The notion that they are tied together is not productive, or even rational.

THANK YOU!

As a person who isn't a member of the 3 big Abrahamic Monotheisms, I get nervous about requiring kids to pray to any particular deity in school, or promulgating someone else's religion over an individual's freedom of choice. Our founding father's were VERY clear in wanting to keep any one religion from dominating the public sphere; unfortunately, a huge amount of revisionism has taken place over the last 242 (if I'm counting correctly) years and has given rise to fanaticism exceeded only in the middle east.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by Zorba

THANK YOU!

As a person who isn't a member of the 3 big Abrahamic Monotheisms, I get nervous about requiring kids to pray to any particular deity in school, or promulgating someone else's religion over an individual's freedom of choice. Our founding father's were VERY clear in wanting to keep any one religion from dominating the public sphere; unfortunately, a huge amount of revisionism has taken place over the last 242 (if I'm counting correctly) years and has given rise to fanaticism exceeded only in the middle east.

Hi,

Again, very respectfully, my family was here and voted on The Constitution and The Bill of Rights, in Washington County, PA., in 1789-1790

The establishment clause was never meant to guarantee freedom FROM religion, but rather, freedom OF religion (right to chose a religion, or, none at all).

RESPECTING everyone's choice on this matter is best practices.


Sieger