Fired MANY times

Olle · 09-14-2015, 12:41 PM

There are many self proclaimed experts out there, and that's why I hate selling on Gunbroker. I had a gun for sale a while back, and a guy bid on it and won. This gun is in pristine condition and looks like it has only been test fired, but I know that the term "unfired" could spark a debate so I took a lot of detail pictures and described the signs of use instead. The day after the auction closed, I got a phone call from the buyer. He said that he had looked closer at the pictures and found that the gun could be a reblue, and the box must be a reproduction. It guess he thought that the gun was too nice to be all original and got cold feet. I didn't want to argue with him, so I simply cancelled the transaction.

This forum and the P.38 forum are really the only places where you don't find those quasi-experts. If you go to, for example, the Colt forum, you really have to filter everything you read, some members seem to absorb every piece of information they can possibly pick up and then pass it on as the truth. It's kinda funny sometimes when you read a thread about gunsmithing where some people say that a particular repair or adjustment is "impossible", and you know that you did that actual repair yesterday.

One of the stranger ones was when one guy stated that the sight beads on Colt revolvers are tapered and need to be fitted to the tapered slot in the barrel. I guess he had come across a sloppily cut sight slot (which is not too uncommon), and thought that it was tapered on purpose. I wouldn't be surprised to see this being repeated in future threads, until it eventually is accepted as "the truth".

Anyway, if you want some good entertainment you can search the Colt forum for "unfired". Among other interesting tidbits you'll find that Colt revolvers were always test fired in the white, then disassembled, finished and reassembled to make sure there were no signs of the gun ever being fired. I wouldn't doubt that some of the custom guns were done that way, but doing it in production... ?

alvin · 09-14-2015, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Olle

There are many self proclaimed experts out there, and that's why I hate selling on Gunbroker.

No reason to get upset. If you like, you can argue with him. If you don't have that energy, just ignore the message. Not a big deal. To survive on internet, you cannot be sensitive.

If buyer wants to return or cancel a transaction, let him/her return or cancel. Don't force others to accept things that they don't like. They will hate you. Not worth it. Most people are reasonable.

Olle · 09-14-2015, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by alvin

No reason to get upset. If you like, you can argue with him. If you don't have that energy, just ignore the message. Not a big deal. To survive on internet, you cannot be sensitive.

If buyer wants to return or cancel a transaction, let him/her return or cancel. Don't force others to accept things that they don't like. They will hate you. Not worth it. Most people are reasonable.

I just don't have the energy to argue, dispute a bad feedback and so on, so I found it better to simply cancel the transaction and relist it. It's not worth the aggravation, and getting into Internet fights will probably come back to bite me in one way or another. No offense to the Colt collectors here, but I have found them being the worst to deal with. If you as much as fart in the wrong direction, you'll be branded as a persona non grata.

Zorba · 09-14-2015, 03:36 PM

There's only one thing less reliable than information from the Internet; and that is unsolicited information from the Internet!

sheepherder · 09-14-2015, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Olle

This forum and the P.38 forum are really the only places where you don't find those quasi-experts.

What type of quasi-experts DO you find on this forum???

Edward Tinker · 09-14-2015, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

What type of quasi-experts DO you find on this forum???

Its a back - handed compliment that people like you are REAL experts

Olle · 09-15-2015, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Its a back - handed compliment that people like you are REAL experts

I didn't want to say that, Rich's head will grow too much...

sheepherder · 09-15-2015, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Olle

I didn't want to say that, Rich's head will grow too much...

I am not now and never have been an expert on anything...and when I run across anyone who claims they are one (like the guides at Hoover Dam) I delight in testing their 'expertise'...

I am always amused at the several self-proclaimed 'experts' on the Russian Contract Lugers...Even though they don't own one...I guess that's their argument...If they don't have one, then they don't exist...

...But I digress...

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

That is not the question/issue being discussed.

Discussions here often take on a life of their own...

Olle · 09-15-2015, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

I am not now and never have been an expert on anything...and when I run across anyone who claims they are one (like the guides at Hoover Dam) I delight in testing their 'expertise'...

I am always amused at the several self-proclaimed 'experts' on the Russian Contract Lugers...Even though they don't own one...I guess that's their argument...If they don't have one, then they don't exist...

...But I digress...

Yep. Every time you hear somebody say "I know everything about this", you can bet your ass he's lying.

I have a friend who is really smart, he has a masters degree and a PhD in science and he made a long career in R&D for some of the largest companies in the US, plus several years as a teacher and professor's assistant at a university. After he retired, he decided to move back to his home town and start a small handyman business, and that's how most people here know him nowadays.

Once he went to some kind of meeting at the local high school, and the science curriculum was on the agenda. One knows-it-all was going on about something my friend didn't agree with, so he asked her if he could say a few words. She just looked at him and said: "What gives you the right to discuss science, you paint houses!".

My friend got up from his chair, walked up to the blackboard and without saying one word he wrote down his whole pedigree. Then he turned to her and said: "If you have time, I can list my publications..."

rhuff · 09-15-2015, 03:38 PM

Back to the OP

I don't have a clue how many times this weapon has been fired, but it for sure has been fired. I would have to disassemble the gun and look at wear patterns, and the degree of wear to even make a WAG. It takes all kinds of folks to make a World, and some of them are "experts", at least in their mind!!

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09-14-2015, 12:41 PM	#1
Olle User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,149 Thanks: 159 Thanked 664 Times in 318 Posts	There are many self proclaimed experts out there, and that's why I hate selling on Gunbroker. I had a gun for sale a while back, and a guy bid on it and won. This gun is in pristine condition and looks like it has only been test fired, but I know that the term "unfired" could spark a debate so I took a lot of detail pictures and described the signs of use instead. The day after the auction closed, I got a phone call from the buyer. He said that he had looked closer at the pictures and found that the gun could be a reblue, and the box must be a reproduction. It guess he thought that the gun was too nice to be all original and got cold feet. I didn't want to argue with him, so I simply cancelled the transaction. This forum and the P.38 forum are really the only places where you don't find those quasi-experts. If you go to, for example, the Colt forum, you really have to filter everything you read, some members seem to absorb every piece of information they can possibly pick up and then pass it on as the truth. It's kinda funny sometimes when you read a thread about gunsmithing where some people say that a particular repair or adjustment is "impossible", and you know that you did that actual repair yesterday. One of the stranger ones was when one guy stated that the sight beads on Colt revolvers are tapered and need to be fitted to the tapered slot in the barrel. I guess he had come across a sloppily cut sight slot (which is not too uncommon), and thought that it was tapered on purpose. I wouldn't be surprised to see this being repeated in future threads, until it eventually is accepted as "the truth". Anyway, if you want some good entertainment you can search the Colt forum for "unfired". Among other interesting tidbits you'll find that Colt revolvers were always test fired in the white, then disassembled, finished and reassembled to make sure there were no signs of the gun ever being fired. I wouldn't doubt that some of the custom guns were done that way, but doing it in production... ?

09-14-2015, 03:36 PM	#4
Zorba User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Merritt Island, Fl Posts: 952 Thanks: 777 Thanked 528 Times in 290 Posts	There's only one thing less reliable than information from the Internet; and that is unsolicited information from the Internet!

09-15-2015, 03:38 PM	#10
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,315 Thanks: 2,753 Thanked 999 Times in 734 Posts	Back to the OP I don't have a clue how many times this weapon has been fired, but it for sure has been fired. I would have to disassemble the gun and look at wear patterns, and the degree of wear to even make a WAG. It takes all kinds of folks to make a World, and some of them are "experts", at least in their mind!!