Is there anybody out there ?

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by rhuff

If you are looking for a nice 92gr LRN bullet(and not a loaded cartridge with LRN), then look at Western Bullet Company in Wyoming(I am pretty sure it is Wy). I have loaded a lot of these LRN bullets in 30 Luger brass, and can recommend them highly. They are also nice people to deal with. I know of no factory ammo loaded with 90-92gr Lead bullets.

rhuff,

They are using the old 92 grain Lyman #311227 mold.

When loaded to the proper length of 1.173 inches, will the neck of the case cover the top grease groove?

Thanks!!


Sieger

[JuneGrass 8]

Bob , Richard ,
Thanks to both of you for your info on cast bullets , I`m going to attempt to contact both outfits and get on there backorder list , as I`m more than sure I`ll end up , but nothing ventured , nothing gained . I appreciate your help very much .
Thanks , Don

[rhuff]

Originally Posted by Sieger

rhuff,

They are using the old 92 grain Lyman #311227 mold.

When loaded to the proper length of 1.173 inches, will the neck of the case cover the top grease groove?

Thanks!!


Sieger

Bob,

I am loading this bullet to where the case mouth is just barely above the grease groove, to an OAL of 1.150+/-. Buy seating the bullet thusly, and using a collet type crimp, one can sort of utilize the grease groove as a cannalure to help prevent set back on feeding into a handgun chamber. My 1921 DWM Luger likes this bullet, possibly because of the .310-.311 dia.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by rhuff

Bob,

I am loading this bullet to where the case mouth is just barely above the grease groove, to an OAL of 1.150+/-. Buy seating the bullet thusly, and using a collet type crimp, one can sort of utilize the grease groove as a cannalure to help prevent set back on feeding into a handgun chamber. My 1921 DWM Luger likes this bullet, possibly because of the .310-.311 dia.

Hi,

Have you had any problems with jamming when shooting from a fully loaded 8 round magazine?

Also, what is your most successful powder with this load combination?

Thanks!


Sieger

[rhuff]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Hi,

Have you had any problems with jamming when shooting from a fully loaded 8 round magazine?

Also, what is your most successful powder with this load combination?

Thanks!


Sieger

I don't load my mags to 8 rounds. I load to 5 rounds, as that is the amount I shoot be it revolver or semi-auto. Those rounds are loaded with Bullseye powder, but I plan to use Unique with the next batch. I don't have 100% reliability with these rounds, but pretty good functioning. I am experiencing zero bullet setback. I am hoping for improvement with the slower powder. I wish I had a good load for Power Pistol, but I don't. To me, these Lugers are a real challenge as to springs(all), mags, OAL, bullet profile, powder type and loadings. I may never get 100% reliability out of my 1921 DWM, but it won't be because I haven't tried, and tried, and tried. A work in progress.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by rhuff

I don't load my mags to 8 rounds. I load to 5 rounds, as that is the amount I shoot be it revolver or semi-auto. Those rounds are loaded with Bullseye powder, but I plan to use Unique with the next batch. I don't have 100% reliability with these rounds, but pretty good functioning. I am experiencing zero bullet setback. I am hoping for improvement with the slower powder. I wish I had a good load for Power Pistol, but I don't. To me, these Lugers are a real challenge as to springs(all), mags, OAL, bullet profile, powder type and loadings. I may never get 100% reliability out of my 1921 DWM, but it won't be because I haven't tried, and tried, and tried. A work in progress.

Hi,

Power Pistol is my best 9mm powder to date, and, frankly, I feel it would be a better powder to experiment with, in the 7.65mm, than Unique.

I'd start out with about 4.5 grs of Power Pistol, moving up 1/10 of a grain, until I found a load that would just activate the hold open device. This would be my base load. I'd then progress up 1/10 of a grain at a time until I either found an accurate load or started seeing pressure signs or malfunctions started. There should be quite a range between 4.5 grs and when pressure or malfunctions start.

I'd also try some of the other brand lead bullets I suggested above, as they look like they could easily be loaded full proper length, that being 1.173 inches of O.A.L.

With a good recoil spring, a good Mec-Gar magazine and a good extractor spring, your 1921 should function perfectly and accurately. Really, there are not all that many variables, once you can isolate each and properly address them.

Good shooting!!


Sieger

[JuneGrass 8]

Sieger ,
The 92 grn hard cast lead RN bullets from Kings Shooters supply that you recommended arrived before the ink on the check ( so to speak ) had dried . Many , Many thanks , if these shoot as good as they look , it will be outstanding . I loaded up 8 dummy rounds to check magazine function , which was fair , with one jam do to set back , which occurred on all rounds to one degree or another , so I have crimped them using a Lee Factory Crimp die . This appears to put a good hold on the bullet , but sets them back also . Like Mr.rhuff said ,"a work in progress". Thanks Don

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by JuneGrass 8

Sieger ,
The 92 grn hard cast lead RN bullets from Kings Shooters supply that you recommended arrived before the ink on the check ( so to speak ) had dried . Many , Many thanks , if these shoot as good as they look , it will be outstanding . I loaded up 8 dummy rounds to check magazine function , which was fair , with one jam do to set back , which occurred on all rounds to one degree or another , so I have crimped them using a Lee Factory Crimp die . This appears to put a good hold on the bullet , but sets them back also . Like Mr.rhuff said ,"a work in progress". Thanks Don

Hi,

Did you order the .310s or the .313s?

Which sizer button are you using in your die set, the one for .308 bullets or the one for .311 bullets, as they usually have both available.

Are you loading to full length, that being 1.173 inches (this always seems long, but that's the way it is). You might want to read my sticky on how to determine proper O.A.L. when trying a new bullet. This could be very helpful.

With either lead or FMJ, I've never experienced set-back with the 7.65 Luger cartridge, so let's isolate and cure the necessary variables.

Thanks!


Sieger

[rhuff]

Originally Posted by JuneGrass 8

Sieger ,
The 92 grn hard cast lead RN bullets from Kings Shooters supply that you recommended arrived before the ink on the check ( so to speak ) had dried . Many , Many thanks , if these shoot as good as they look , it will be outstanding . I loaded up 8 dummy rounds to check magazine function , which was fair , with one jam do to set back , which occurred on all rounds to one degree or another , so I have crimped them using a Lee Factory Crimp die . This appears to put a good hold on the bullet , but sets them back also . Like Mr.rhuff said ,"a work in progress". Thanks Don

Crimping on a non-cannalured bullet will not stop setback of the bullet, neck tension is what does that. In fact, if you overcrimp the case mouth, you can make things worse. What is the diameter of your case neck expander? What is the measured diameter of your bullet? In the 30 luger brass, I strive for .003-.005in. of interference fit so as to get as much neck tension as possible. You will still get a few thousands of setback, but that is of no concern. If setback is excessive, that is concerning. I have started to add a cannalure to my jacketed bullets, and then the collet crimp into the cannalure to give myself the best protection for setback. My 30 luger rounds are loaded near/at max loadings, and I can not afford setbacks.



Apparently Sieger types faster that I do!!

[rhuff]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Hi,

Power Pistol is my best 9mm powder to date, and, frankly, I feel it would be a better powder to experiment with, in the 7.65mm, than Unique.

I'd start out with about 4.5 grs of Power Pistol, moving up 1/10 of a grain, until I found a load that would just activate the hold open device. This would be my base load. I'd then progress up 1/10 of a grain at a time until I either found an accurate load or started seeing pressure signs or malfunctions started. There should be quite a range between 4.5 grs and when pressure or malfunctions start.

I'd also try some of the other brand lead bullets I suggested above, as they look like they could easily be loaded full proper length, that being 1.173 inches of O.A.L.

With a good recoil spring, a good Mec-Gar magazine and a good extractor spring, your 1921 should function perfectly and accurately. Really, there are not all that many variables, once you can isolate each and properly address them.

Good shooting!!


Sieger

I have been loading my 30 Luger jacketed bullets with Unique powder for some time now with very good results. I am very comfortable with using Unique, as I have used it forever. It is a bit more forgiving than PP, at least in my way of thinking.


What powder are you using in your 30 Luger handloads?

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by rhuff

I have been loading my 30 Luger jacketed bullets with Unique powder for some time now with very good results. I am very comfortable with using Unique, as I have used it forever. It is a bit more forgiving than PP, at least in my way of thinking.


What powder are you using in your 30 Luger handloads?

Hi,

My best has been IMR SR4756, but the MBAs have decided to discontinue it.

Be advised that the original DWM loading for the 7.65 was with a 93 gr bullet traveling at 1,150 fps (350 mps).

If I can ever find any powder to buy, I'd like to do a very thorough study of the currently available medium/slow pistol powders for both the 9mm and 7.65mm Lugers.

Wish me luck in finding any powder to buy?!?!?


Sieger