Echave & Arizmendi Luger Look-A-Like

ithacaartist · 01-16-2012, 11:27 AM

This really does look like an Erma La or Ep, the full-sized pistols. If I recall correctly, the KGP's are called "baby" Lugers because they are smaller in the same respects as the "Baby Lugers" created by John Martz and others--shortened grip frame and shorter bbl.
You might pick up an Erma mag, either original factory, or a replacement--another one of slightly different construction/configuration, for which there were at least three different makers. The replacements were designed for the Erma; I don't know why the lips of those mags are cut/shaped somewhat differently than the original factory.
If the Panzer functions like the Ep/La .22's, it will be like dealing with a cranky old lady to convince it to feed, eject, and cycle properly and dependably. If similar enough, the Panzer may also be mag sensitive and ammo sensitive, to the extreme. I've been engrossed in just what it takes to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, as far as these .22 pistols, so check for a posting or two in 'off topic/other guns" section if you're going to try to get a .22 blowback Luger wannabe to work acceptably!
David Parker

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01-16-2012, 11:27 AM	#1
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,409 Thanks: 7,583 Thanked 2,657 Times in 1,398 Posts	This really does look like an Erma La or Ep, the full-sized pistols. If I recall correctly, the KGP's are called "baby" Lugers because they are smaller in the same respects as the "Baby Lugers" created by John Martz and others--shortened grip frame and shorter bbl. You might pick up an Erma mag, either original factory, or a replacement--another one of slightly different construction/configuration, for which there were at least three different makers. The replacements were designed for the Erma; I don't know why the lips of those mags are cut/shaped somewhat differently than the original factory. If the Panzer functions like the Ep/La .22's, it will be like dealing with a cranky old lady to convince it to feed, eject, and cycle properly and dependably. If similar enough, the Panzer may also be mag sensitive and ammo sensitive, to the extreme. I've been engrossed in just what it takes to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, as far as these .22 pistols, so check for a posting or two in 'off topic/other guns" section if you're going to try to get a .22 blowback Luger wannabe to work acceptably! David Parker