First Luger- Identifying proof marks.

LugerVern · 12-23-2011, 05:07 AM

Well that is the 3rd 1916 dated Luger with a KK stamped barrel, maybe a 4th.

It could be that the source isn't Portuguese, maybe the Portuguese simply purchased some left over parts.

Would be some interesting research. A small trend is developing, we shouldn't jump to conclusions however.

Vern

LugerVern · 12-23-2011, 05:24 AM

Here is an interesting tid bit of information, the time line isn't quite right however but, it might be worth a letter to the manufacture to see if they ever used the letters KK .

Voere is an Austrian gun maker The origins of the company date back to the 1948 establishment of the metal-working company Koma in West Germany. Originally producing bicycle tire pumps, the company branched out into the production of air pistols in 1950. In 1955, Koma was renamed Voere. The company's name is a combination of the founders' names: Voetter and Restle. That year, Voere began the production of small-bore rifles.

In 1965, the company relocated to a new factory in Kufstein, Austria.

lamarbrog · 12-23-2011, 11:19 PM

While I'm sure you're more knowledgeable on this topic than I am, Vern, what leads you to believe that company would have anything to do with this pistol?

Maybe I am just not seeing the obvious... but bicycles, air rifles, and small-caliber rifles isn't exactly synonymous with P08 barrels.

LugerVern · 12-24-2011, 07:15 AM

I was just doing some brain storming "KK" must stand for something? Koma, Kufstein just came to mind, by the way this company evolved into a rather serious gun manufacture .

It would not be unusual for a company to use its former name in identifying parts it has created. I am not jumping to conclusions but it's more than we have right now, as far as I know no one has identified what "KK" stands for?

They certainly could have made/ refurbished the parts for the Portuguese, but the "KK" markings on the P38's may occur too early for this theory to play out.

Need more research, this can be in the from of a negative or positive approach both are usually needed to weed out any errors.

I welcome any comments, can anyone show that my theory is wrong? " I know it probably is but, prove it"

By the way, it's Christmas Eve: Best Wishes to Everyone !

Vern

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12-23-2011, 05:07 AM	#1
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	Well that is the 3rd 1916 dated Luger with a KK stamped barrel, maybe a 4th. It could be that the source isn't Portuguese, maybe the Portuguese simply purchased some left over parts. Would be some interesting research. A small trend is developing, we shouldn't jump to conclusions however. Vern

12-23-2011, 05:24 AM	#2
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	Here is an interesting tid bit of information, the time line isn't quite right however but, it might be worth a letter to the manufacture to see if they ever used the letters KK . Voere is an Austrian gun maker The origins of the company date back to the 1948 establishment of the metal-working company Koma in West Germany. Originally producing bicycle tire pumps, the company branched out into the production of air pistols in 1950. In 1955, Koma was renamed Voere. The company's name is a combination of the founders' names: Voetter and Restle. That year, Voere began the production of small-bore rifles. In 1965, the company relocated to a new factory in Kufstein, Austria.

12-23-2011, 11:19 PM	#3
lamarbrog User Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	While I'm sure you're more knowledgeable on this topic than I am, Vern, what leads you to believe that company would have anything to do with this pistol? Maybe I am just not seeing the obvious... but bicycles, air rifles, and small-caliber rifles isn't exactly synonymous with P08 barrels.

12-24-2011, 07:15 AM	#4
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	I was just doing some brain storming "KK" must stand for something? Koma, Kufstein just came to mind, by the way this company evolved into a rather serious gun manufacture . It would not be unusual for a company to use its former name in identifying parts it has created. I am not jumping to conclusions but it's more than we have right now, as far as I know no one has identified what "KK" stands for? They certainly could have made/ refurbished the parts for the Portuguese, but the "KK" markings on the P38's may occur too early for this theory to play out. Need more research, this can be in the from of a negative or positive approach both are usually needed to weed out any errors. I welcome any comments, can anyone show that my theory is wrong? " I know it probably is but, prove it" By the way, it's Christmas Eve: Best Wishes to Everyone ! Vern