Cross in Shield Enigma

drbuster · 03-14-2010, 07:04 PM

Chuck, thanks for your response. Your Geneva Cross only marked C+S was one of the earlier examples of the first group of DWM finished and numbered lugers sent in 1909. Some of the earliest ones were not proofed by Vogelsang. One example of this type cited in Bobba's book was numbered #11704. It is unknown when Vogelsang started proofing on a regular basis, but by 1911, when my example pictured (#13519) above,he was proofing on a regular basis. Sure would be nice to see if Vogelsang's mark appeared in the #10001-12000 range, whether it was haphazard or ran in series. Note the double Muhlemann proofs were later, in 1914.

drbuster · 04-05-2010, 10:43 PM

To "muddy" the waters further, here is a very nice Cross in Shield in the same serial range, with a Vogelsang proof on the left side of the receiver and a Muhlmann proof on the right side. Will the variations never cease?

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03-14-2010, 07:04 PM	#1
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Chuck, thanks for your response. Your Geneva Cross only marked C+S was one of the earlier examples of the first group of DWM finished and numbered lugers sent in 1909. Some of the earliest ones were not proofed by Vogelsang. One example of this type cited in Bobba's book was numbered #11704. It is unknown when Vogelsang started proofing on a regular basis, but by 1911, when my example pictured (#13519) above,he was proofing on a regular basis. Sure would be nice to see if Vogelsang's mark appeared in the #10001-12000 range, whether it was haphazard or ran in series. Note the double Muhlemann proofs were later, in 1914.