Russian Lugers at Phoenix Investment Arms

[Edward Tinker]

Originally Posted by Imperial Arms

Hello Rich,

When I had created my web site, I did not see any reason to write a story for each item because most of the information could be found in reference books such as 'Lugers at Random'. ...

Albert

Folks do not make a website unless they are trying to show off their things, whether you call this bragging or not. There is no reason to have a website except to show things off or attempt to sell something.

When I see a bunch of pictures, i have no idea if the owner even owns the guns themself. (I am sure you do, but your vaugness is a bit odd about the pieces)


It doesn't hurt to be from germany to be in the area and study, but you always act as if being european gives you a better understanding of lugers by being european. That makes little sense.




Ed

PS: I did read your writings on the russian guns, but I am not convinced that russian contracts don't exist. I have always felt they were a small contract and the earliest books talk about them being a contract (but then they talk about mexican lugers too, and I don't beleive in any of them)

[Imperial Arms]

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Folks do not make a website unless they are trying to show off their things, whether you call this bragging or not. There is no reason to have a website except to show things off or attempt to sell something.

When I see a bunch of pictures, i have no idea if the owner even owns the guns themself. (I am sure you do, but your vaugness is a bit odd about the pieces)

It doesn't hurt to be from germany to be in the area and study, but you always act as if being european gives you a better understanding of lugers by being european. That makes little sense.

Ed

PS: I did read your writings on the russian guns, but I am not convinced that russian contracts don't exist. I have always felt they were a small contract and the earliest books talk about them being a contract (but then they talk about mexican lugers too, and I don't beleive in any of them)

Hello Ed,

I enjoy reading web sites where I can gain some knowledge or meet new collectors. I believe that it would helpful to the collectors society if more collectors would share their collections online, whether it is on a web site, forum or image gallery. When some writers 'cross the line' without sufficient proof or evidence, then they can expect criticisms.

For example, my web site Imperial Arms is straight forward and the items in my collection are under the category 'Personal Collection'. If you need further clarification or information about any item that I display on my web site, you are welcome to contact me directly.

I have to disagree with your interpretation that my European nationality (German) has nothing to do with a better understanding about Lugers. I have learned about Lugers, Mausers and Walthers from both 'schools' (American and European), but the US tends to have a higher degree of fakes and, consequently, I have been leaning more on the European side. I wish to seize this opportunity to mention that the esteemed Ron is very knowledge about Lugers and I have even learned one or two things from him during my continuous education.

You have the freedom to believe whatever you want including whether or not there exists a 'Russian Luger'. Maybe those old phrases or words such as "The Russians are coming", 'Communists', 'the enemy', 'nuclear threat' will maintain you as a critic to support the survival of the Russian Luger, but I reckon that my theory explaining that it is another Bulgarian variation is more compelling and convincing than anything else that has been presented in the past.

Thank you for your comments.

Albert

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Imperial Arms

For example, my web site Imperial Arms is straight forward and the items in my collection are under the category 'Personal Collection'.

...???...Then the ones under the category "Interesting Firearms" on your site aren't your collection???

That is disappointing...Those are the ones I like to read about...Like how a prototype was selected (or modified for acceptance) or rejected...or even stories about how it came to be in the owner's possession (like the looting of the FN plant in Belgium)...or even personal stories...

My Godfather had a double barrel rifle/shotgun (one barrel each) and a Mauser 98K rifle that [according to him] he picked right off the assembly line when his unit overran the facility that housed them (sorry; I don't recall where) during WW II...He brought both of them home with him...Sadly, he passed on while I was serving overseas and it's unknown which son-in-law (3 daughters; all divorced) ended up with them...

It's that kind of anecdote that I enjoy reading...

[Imperial Arms]

Originally Posted by postino

...???...Then the ones under the category "Interesting Firearms" on your site aren't your collection???

That is disappointing...Those are the ones I like to read about...Like how a prototype was selected (or modified for acceptance) or rejected...or even stories about how it came to be in the owner's possession (like the looting of the FN plant in Belgium)...or even personal stories...

My Godfather had a double barrel rifle/shotgun (one barrel each) and a Mauser 98K rifle that [according to him] he picked right off the assembly line when his unit overran the facility that housed them (sorry; I don't recall where) during WW II...He brought both of them home with him...Sadly, he passed on while I was serving overseas and it's unknown which son-in-law (3 daughters; all divorced) ended up with them...

It's that kind of anecdote that I enjoy reading...

Hello Rich,

I wish I was a multi-millionaire to own everything depicted on my web site Imperial Arms. Those items under the category 'Interesting Firearms' are items I have photographed in other personal collections and museums.

I apologize if the images only have a title when the mouse is over the image, without including a headline and a detailed description. When I have the time and new web design software, I shall make an effort to improve and update the presentation and entertaining aspect of my web site. In the mean time, I shall instead present information on the forums which collectors and quickly find and read.

Enjoy,
Albert

[Imperial Arms]

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

PS: I did read your writings on the russian guns, but I am not convinced that russian contracts don't exist. I have always felt they were a small contract and the earliest books talk about them being a contract (but then they talk about mexican lugers too, and I don't beleive in any of them)

Hello Ted,

Let me try and 'break it down for you' with reference to my two articles which strongly discounts the 'Russian Luger' theory:

1. Anchor symbol = Navy division/organization;
2. Crossed swords symbol = Cavalry division/organization;
3. Crossed canons symbol = Artillery division division/organization;
4. Crossed rifles symbol = Infantry division/organization.

The 'M1906 Russian Luger' has 100% Bulgarian markings.

The 'Russian Luger' is in a contract pistol and was not for commercial sales. There is nothing on it which ties it directly to Russia - only confusion.

If you are saddened that the 'Russian Luger' is crumbling, I am sorry to disappoint you. Nonetheless, you can continue to be a critic and that is your choice. Until I learn or hear something which is stronger, I am sticking to the 'Bulgarian theory' which makes more sense. Explain to me your reasons why it is a 'Russian Luger' without any emotion and imagination, or making reference to 'those earliest books' - which ones and who wrote those books?

Check this out - I hope that I don't 'shot myself in my foot' by saying that the M1906 Portuguese Navy Contract Lugers were instead a Spanish contract (when I happen to have an outstanding Portuguese Royal Navy rig in my collection)!! (just kidding) Using your line of thought, why not?

Albert