How can I get my money back?

junglejim · 08-05-2009, 01:53 PM

Postino, If you are referring to the first picture of a "lugerman" carbine, I have yet to receive the gun. Hopefully, any day now. It is a picture of my completed gun, and he was waiting for my final payment before sending the gun. It should be here any day (fingers crossed!). It is very similar to a 1920 commercial carbine, but not exact. Yes, there is no sight on the rear toggle, only the one like a luger carbine that is on the barrel. It supposedly shoots great on Winchester ammo. I don't know if it has a recoil assist spring like the originals.

In the second set of pictures (John Martz carbine), the configuration is identical to a 1902 American Eagle Carbine with the exception of the 16" barrel and the patented Martz Toggle Release. The p38 carbine is a copy of nothing as they never existed. They also have been tuned to Winchester ammo by the builder. By the way, John Martz's knowledge of metallergy is so acute that he was able to produce weapons like the P-38 carbine and leave them "in the white" without evidence of where metal has been added or where welding has occurred. All the original lettering on both guns are crisp and clear. No evidence of buffing whatsoever. Both guns pictured are without any finish of any kind, just a special treatment to the metal to prevent rusting. Both guns were created over 25+ years ago, and have had no special care. There are no signs of deterioration.

junglejim · 08-05-2009, 02:12 PM

Here is a comparison between my original 1902 carbine and John Martz recreation. You can see that they are the same.

alvin · 08-05-2009, 09:21 PM

Could you show a close-up of this area on the white gun?

sheepherder · 08-06-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by junglejim

Postino, If you are referring to the first picture of a "lugerman" carbine, I have yet to receive the gun.

Jim -

Yep, that's the one I meant. If I'm understanding you and Pistol_Whipped correctly, neither of you has received your pistols/carbines yet; just pictures. I hope you actually get what is pictured, and that the pics you received aren't PhotoShop creations.

I love the Martz recreations. I've been toying with the idea of a long barrel [6" or so] P-38 for years, with a steel backstrap, but haven't been able to find a decent looking/reasonably priced pistol to work with. My own creations are "shooters", not works of art like Martz's, but I sure wish I had his abilities...

Pistol Whipped · 08-06-2009, 08:59 AM

You are correct. On the deadline I set ( August 1) Eugene Golubstov (Lugerman) announced to me that my gun was finished and sent me nine photographs as proof. I have since sent him payment and should have my pistol by next week.

Now, if for some reason that doesn't happen I'm sure you have a pretty good idea by now what I will do.

sheepherder · 08-06-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Pistol Whipped

You are correct. On the deadline I set ( August 1) Eugene Golubstov (Lugerman) announced to me that my gun was finished and sent me nine photographs as proof. I have since sent him payment and should have my pistol by next week...

Paul and Jim -

Do you two have "before" pics of the pistol you sent him??? I don't think we need them here, but when you gentlemen get your completed pistols back, I (and I'm sure, others here) would be interested in a "before and after" comparison...A separate thread, with pics, maybe pointing out the areas where the most [restorative] work occurred...

junglejim · 08-06-2009, 01:14 PM

Postino, I did not send a luger...."Lugerman" provided the donor gun.

junglejim · 08-06-2009, 02:51 PM

Excuse the quality of the pictures. Another of Lugerman's talents is his ability to take very nice pictures. I lack his expertise.

08-06-2009, 08:59 AM	#5
Pistol Whipped User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	My Completed Mauser and Lugerman... You are correct. On the deadline I set ( August 1) Eugene Golubstov (Lugerman) announced to me that my gun was finished and sent me nine photographs as proof. I have since sent him payment and should have my pistol by next week. Now, if for some reason that doesn't happen I'm sure you have a pretty good idea by now what I will do.

08-06-2009, 01:14 PM	#7
junglejim User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	donor gun Postino, I did not send a luger...."Lugerman" provided the donor gun.

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08-05-2009, 01:53 PM	#1
junglejim User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Postino, If you are referring to the first picture of a "lugerman" carbine, I have yet to receive the gun. Hopefully, any day now. It is a picture of my completed gun, and he was waiting for my final payment before sending the gun. It should be here any day (fingers crossed!). It is very similar to a 1920 commercial carbine, but not exact. Yes, there is no sight on the rear toggle, only the one like a luger carbine that is on the barrel. It supposedly shoots great on Winchester ammo. I don't know if it has a recoil assist spring like the originals. In the second set of pictures (John Martz carbine), the configuration is identical to a 1902 American Eagle Carbine with the exception of the 16" barrel and the patented Martz Toggle Release. The p38 carbine is a copy of nothing as they never existed. They also have been tuned to Winchester ammo by the builder. By the way, John Martz's knowledge of metallergy is so acute that he was able to produce weapons like the P-38 carbine and leave them "in the white" without evidence of where metal has been added or where welding has occurred. All the original lettering on both guns are crisp and clear. No evidence of buffing whatsoever. Both guns pictured are without any finish of any kind, just a special treatment to the metal to prevent rusting. Both guns were created over 25+ years ago, and have had no special care. There are no signs of deterioration.