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Thor · 08-03-2009, 07:44 PM

Checking my midway "Just about everything" catalog, looks like LEE makes two molds that you might consider, a 93 gr 1 radius ogive drops at .311" Mold # 311-93-1R, and a 100 gr 2 radius ogive drops at .311" mode # 311-100-2R on page 440. I like the weight of 93 grs which is pretty much standard, but I like the profile of the 2R ogive that is the shape of the 100 gr bullet. Both look like they would be superb. They come in 2 cavity and 6 cavity. Just food for thought. Hugh used to take a .312" jacketed bullet and run it through two or three cast bullet sizers to get it down to .309", I think after he ran it through the .309" it may have sprung back to .3095" or so. My brain is too old to remember dem detials!

Hugh · 08-04-2009, 01:34 AM

Ted,
Your brain doesn't have to remember, just read my post above!!!

Hugh · 08-04-2009, 02:01 AM

These cast bullets work well for the 30 Luger,

http://www.meisterbullets.com
32 H&R 94GR .312
Product Code: RB-32-94-2
Caliber: .32 H&R Magnum RNFP Weight: 94 GR Diameter: (.312)
(ask to resize them to .310 instead of .312)

http://www.magnusbullets.com
#205 - .30/.32 CAL, SWC FB, 100 GR., .309 DIA.

PhilOhio · 08-04-2009, 06:22 PM

Ted, Hugh,

Thanks so much for all this technical info. But I should kick myself in the butt. I've got so much fun stuff I lose track of it. This time I almost ordered that 93 grain Lee 2-cavity mold, which I discovered I already have...for my .32 revolvers. It's the perfect bullet, as long as you keep the velocity reasonable (I guess), or use Alox lube. In .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R Magnum, I've never driven it as fast as what .30 Luger may require. But the weight and diameter look right. It should be fine, tumble lubed as dropped from the mold. They say .311".

In that regard, I was recently rather shocked to measure some of Winchester's Silvertip bullets on their commercial loads, to see how oversize they are. I was trying to figure out why their out-of-the-box .45 Long Colt rounds were so much more accurate than anything I had been able to load for my Colt SAA. It has .451" grooves and .452" cylinder mouths. Lyman recommends .452" lead bullets. I made a sizing die to keep them at that out-of-mold diameter, only lubing them. Still didn't get Silvertip accuracy.

Then I find that the Silvertip bullets measure .454" and that is with aluminum jackets! Incredible. Jacketed bullets, .003" oversize, no indications of high pressure, and almost single-hole accuracy at 50'. I haven't quite matched it.

The point of all this is that, even if all the bullets mentioned earlier are fired tumble lubed and unsized in a standard .30 Luger bore, they should be safe, if not used with maximum powder charges. In fact, this may produce best accuracy. Anybody have experience with this sort of thing?

In a .310" bore, a concentric .311" or .312" bullet, tumble lubed in Lee's Alox, might be an accurate 1300+ FPS bullet producing no leading...and perfectly safe, pressure-wise.

Hugh · 08-04-2009, 06:40 PM

Phil,

.312 would probably be perfectly safe. Just be sure when loading the 312 bullets that you use the correct size expander button, a smaller one will cause you headaches!

PhilOhio · 08-05-2009, 10:25 AM

Hugh,

Yes, I've been through such headaches. If I have to make an expander, I like to have it about .0015" below lead bullet OD; gives me snug seating but doesn't seem to "swage" the bullet during seating.

Since my first go-round for this caliber (new to me) will be with a SIG P-210 not yet in my hands, I'm hoping that the Swiss did not do such a characteristically fanatical job on the chambering that rounds with maximum diameter bullets might be too tight in the neck area. Or maybe I'm worrying too much.

By the way...real long shot here...but might anybody know where I could get a 9mm P-210 barrel and the correct captive spring to go with it? I would like to have dual caliber capability, and know that all 210 barrels were hand fitted to each gun.

I'm headed to the nearby Camp Perry National Matches today, to ask the same question from some of the high end pistol vendors there on commercial row; really great when all these folks can be found in one place, once a year.

08-03-2009, 07:44 PM	#1
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 971 Times in 277 Posts	Checking my midway "Just about everything" catalog, looks like LEE makes two molds that you might consider, a 93 gr 1 radius ogive drops at .311" Mold # 311-93-1R, and a 100 gr 2 radius ogive drops at .311" mode # 311-100-2R on page 440. I like the weight of 93 grs which is pretty much standard, but I like the profile of the 2R ogive that is the shape of the 100 gr bullet. Both look like they would be superb. They come in 2 cavity and 6 cavity. Just food for thought. Hugh used to take a .312" jacketed bullet and run it through two or three cast bullet sizers to get it down to .309", I think after he ran it through the .309" it may have sprung back to .3095" or so. My brain is too old to remember dem detials! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

08-04-2009, 02:01 AM	#3
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 166 Times in 65 Posts	These cast bullets work well for the 30 Luger, http://www.meisterbullets.com 32 H&R 94GR .312 Product Code: RB-32-94-2 Caliber: .32 H&R Magnum RNFP Weight: 94 GR Diameter: (.312) (ask to resize them to .310 instead of .312) http://www.magnusbullets.com #205 - .30/.32 CAL, SWC FB, 100 GR., .309 DIA. __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

08-04-2009, 06:40 PM	#5
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 166 Times in 65 Posts	Phil, .312 would probably be perfectly safe. Just be sure when loading the 312 bullets that you use the correct size expander button, a smaller one will cause you headaches! __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

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08-04-2009, 01:34 AM	#2
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 166 Times in 65 Posts	Ted, Your brain doesn't have to remember, just read my post above!!! __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

08-04-2009, 06:22 PM	#4
PhilOhio User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 145 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts	Ted, Hugh, Thanks so much for all this technical info. But I should kick myself in the butt. I've got so much fun stuff I lose track of it. This time I almost ordered that 93 grain Lee 2-cavity mold, which I discovered I already have...for my .32 revolvers. It's the perfect bullet, as long as you keep the velocity reasonable (I guess), or use Alox lube. In .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R Magnum, I've never driven it as fast as what .30 Luger may require. But the weight and diameter look right. It should be fine, tumble lubed as dropped from the mold. They say .311". In that regard, I was recently rather shocked to measure some of Winchester's Silvertip bullets on their commercial loads, to see how oversize they are. I was trying to figure out why their out-of-the-box .45 Long Colt rounds were so much more accurate than anything I had been able to load for my Colt SAA. It has .451" grooves and .452" cylinder mouths. Lyman recommends .452" lead bullets. I made a sizing die to keep them at that out-of-mold diameter, only lubing them. Still didn't get Silvertip accuracy. Then I find that the Silvertip bullets measure .454" and that is with aluminum jackets! Incredible. Jacketed bullets, .003" oversize, no indications of high pressure, and almost single-hole accuracy at 50'. I haven't quite matched it. The point of all this is that, even if all the bullets mentioned earlier are fired tumble lubed and unsized in a standard .30 Luger bore, they should be safe, if not used with maximum powder charges. In fact, this may produce best accuracy. Anybody have experience with this sort of thing? In a .310" bore, a concentric .311" or .312" bullet, tumble lubed in Lee's Alox, might be an accurate 1300+ FPS bullet producing no leading...and perfectly safe, pressure-wise.

08-05-2009, 10:25 AM	#6
PhilOhio User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 145 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts	Hugh, Yes, I've been through such headaches. If I have to make an expander, I like to have it about .0015" below lead bullet OD; gives me snug seating but doesn't seem to "swage" the bullet during seating. Since my first go-round for this caliber (new to me) will be with a SIG P-210 not yet in my hands, I'm hoping that the Swiss did not do such a characteristically fanatical job on the chambering that rounds with maximum diameter bullets might be too tight in the neck area. Or maybe I'm worrying too much. By the way...real long shot here...but might anybody know where I could get a 9mm P-210 barrel and the correct captive spring to go with it? I would like to have dual caliber capability, and know that all 210 barrels were hand fitted to each gun. I'm headed to the nearby Camp Perry National Matches today, to ask the same question from some of the high end pistol vendors there on commercial row; really great when all these folks can be found in one place, once a year.