Swiss Parabellum parts compatibility...

Vlim · 04-12-2009, 07:03 PM

Ehm, Sig was responsible for the production of some Swiss Parabellum parts, including the frame.

Mauser did not get production tooling, but a number of jigs, design drawings and quality control tools and some sample guns. They basically had to reinvent the wheel. I know who bought one set of QQ guages, I was there when they were rediscovered

About the change to 9mm: If the 7,65 was so good (which it was, actually), then why did the Swiss experiment with 9mm rounds in the 1940s and why did they opt for a 9mm follow-up of the Parabellum in 1949? Since SIG was an important Parabellum subcontractor, it's interesting to say the least that they were involved in the P210 as well... Which interestingly enough wasn't a SIG design either.

Still have lots of data to analyze and there are lots of questions waiting to be answered. It came as quite a surprise that the research that went into Mauser's redevelopment of the Parabellum also uncovered some interesting Swiss info as well. I guess the next logical step is to start some experimenting with 06/29 pistols...

Any idea where the W+F archives went after they closed down?

Guisan · 04-13-2009, 03:24 PM

Yup looked it up and you are right on that SIG being a subcontractor, it was the same with the K31's.

Accuracy was more important to the Swiss as stopping power, don't forget that they did shoot competions at 50 meters that is why a new 9mm pistol that is less accurate as the former one was hard to introduce there.
That was also the reason that 210's were approved at official matches in as well 7.65 as 9mm, many had an extra barrel and spring that they used with their service pistols.

I think most of the W+F archives to be in the Bundes-archive at Berne and with RUAG now.

Glad to see this section back alive again, it has been silent here for too long.

Guisan.

04-13-2009, 03:24 PM	#2
Guisan User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 112 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Yup looked it up and you are right on that SIG being a subcontractor, it was the same with the K31's. Accuracy was more important to the Swiss as stopping power, don't forget that they did shoot competions at 50 meters that is why a new 9mm pistol that is less accurate as the former one was hard to introduce there. That was also the reason that 210's were approved at official matches in as well 7.65 as 9mm, many had an extra barrel and spring that they used with their service pistols. I think most of the W+F archives to be in the Bundes-archive at Berne and with RUAG now. Glad to see this section back alive again, it has been silent here for too long. Guisan. __________________ Fight to your last cartridge, then fight with your bayonets. No surrender. Fight to the death. --Gen. Henri Guisan, Switzerland, July '40

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04-12-2009, 07:03 PM	#1
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,991 Times in 1,205 Posts	Ehm, Sig was responsible for the production of some Swiss Parabellum parts, including the frame. Mauser did not get production tooling, but a number of jigs, design drawings and quality control tools and some sample guns. They basically had to reinvent the wheel. I know who bought one set of QQ guages, I was there when they were rediscovered About the change to 9mm: If the 7,65 was so good (which it was, actually), then why did the Swiss experiment with 9mm rounds in the 1940s and why did they opt for a 9mm follow-up of the Parabellum in 1949? Since SIG was an important Parabellum subcontractor, it's interesting to say the least that they were involved in the P210 as well... Which interestingly enough wasn't a SIG design either. Still have lots of data to analyze and there are lots of questions waiting to be answered. It came as quite a surprise that the research that went into Mauser's redevelopment of the Parabellum also uncovered some interesting Swiss info as well. I guess the next logical step is to start some experimenting with 06/29 pistols... Any idea where the W+F archives went after they closed down?