serial numbers, ids, etc on artillery luger

i bought the two guns at an auction by butterfields here

in san francisco. as usual, they will not provde any

provenance info, so unless someone here has a connection

with the batf and can check who they were transfered from,

i'm out of luck on finding out where they came from.


on the proofs, i looked all over the outside of the guns

for markings (i may have missed some on the second piece,

as i said i have not picked it up, and cannot until the

middle of next month- one gun a month here in california).

there are none that i can see on the first one, unless i'm

looking in the wrong places. i did look at the info on

the site, and do not see any of these marks.


the holster and the stock are both numbered to the first gun, but i did not see a date- there were some markings

besides the serial numbers on the holster, but i could

not really make them out. the leather cap for the stock looks like it says 'maury & co', 'off' and 3-4 more letters.

there's a stamp on the strap with the brass toggle just

above that cap, but i cannot make it out. letters that

look like 'walz' are stamped on the leather at the butt

of the stock. there is some sort of mark above the serial

number in the wood of the stock, but i cannot make it out.


aside from the date and the serial numbers/suffixes on the first gun, the only thing i see is the word 'gesichert'

at the safety, which is in white.