1907 US Army tests

Vlim · 06-18-2004, 09:29 AM

Quite interesting,

The receiver of the 1907 test appears to be set lower into the frame as the #2 (notice the edge above the sideplate).

It appears that the 'later' 45s were constructed using general P08-pattern designs which were slightly modified, probably to ease production.

The 'early' 45s, (like the 45-carabine?), appear to be of a more experimental, fully handmade design.

This would make the 'later' pattern a good candidate for determining a machine setup for a production line (as for the initially intended 200 test pieces).

IMHO, it makes #2 a very unlikely US-tested candidate, but rather a .45 DWM production test pattern (tool room) version.

At least I believe there is good proof of 2 distinct original .45 luger patterns.

This got me thinking again.
Pictured below are the rough frame forging and the finished P08 frame.

You can see that the forging is a good deal larger than the finished frame would be. To my surprise, it would be feasible to create the 1907 frame with it's 55 degree angle from a P08 forging. Creating the #2 frame from this forging does not appear to be possible...

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06-18-2004, 09:29 AM	#14
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,992 Times in 1,205 Posts	Quite interesting, The receiver of the 1907 test appears to be set lower into the frame as the #2 (notice the edge above the sideplate). It appears that the 'later' 45s were constructed using general P08-pattern designs which were slightly modified, probably to ease production. The 'early' 45s, (like the 45-carabine?), appear to be of a more experimental, fully handmade design. This would make the 'later' pattern a good candidate for determining a machine setup for a production line (as for the initially intended 200 test pieces). IMHO, it makes #2 a very unlikely US-tested candidate, but rather a .45 DWM production test pattern (tool room) version. At least I believe there is good proof of 2 distinct original .45 luger patterns. This got me thinking again. Pictured below are the rough frame forging and the finished P08 frame. You can see that the forging is a good deal larger than the finished frame would be. To my surprise, it would be feasible to create the 1907 frame with it's 55 degree angle from a P08 forging. Creating the #2 frame from this forging does not appear to be possible...