Fiocchi 9MM FMJ-FP COMBATAvailable

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by Kyrie

Points of order, no disrespect intended.

The cross in a circle indicates only that the ammunition is of a type acceptable to NATO.

NATO does not proof ammunition or firearms. NATO is a political treaty, and its signatories may or may not honor the terms of that treaty.

There is no such thing as a "NATO load". Each NATO signatory is a sovereign nation and uses whatever ammunition, loaded to whatever standard they set, in whatever firearm they choose.

Hi,

Please cite your sources.

What does acceptable to NATO mean?

Per the United States Army Technical Manual on Service Ammo, I cite above, acceptable U.S. 9mm NATO service ammo is listed as a 121 grain bullet at 1,260 fps, as shot from an M9 Service pistol. Powder and charge weights are also listed. Obviously, these standards may have changed over the years.

This is in the +P range for regular commercial ammo.

What is actually in the treaty concerning standardization of members' ammo, I do not know.

It seems a bit futile to me to standardize on a caliber while ignoring the performance requirements of same, given the range of weapons designed for its possible usage.


Sieger

[G.T.]

It looks to me, that any 124 gr. factory load UNDER 1200 ft per second, is fine.... I didn't look at the standard 115, but would think there is a bridge to cross there ae well!
Now, +P was definitely a BIG step up in velocity and I would suppose all other factors that would cause some Luger issues from too much use??
The NATO listings were, from what I could see, in a range between the two?... Soooo, as a total lack of experience guy, I would NOT shoot anything labeled NATO or/and NEVER shoot +P in my Luger! Basically, I'm just looking for stuff that works, is consistent, and reliable... best to all, til...lat'r...GT