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G.T. · 12-18-2014, 04:16 PM

Hello to all! Well, everything was going good until my problem child .30 Luger reached home! I tested the gun on a diet of WW .30 Luger, probably from the 60's or 70's... and that what it finally was using when I thought the tuning was complete! Wellll, not so fast Kemosabe......... The owner is using Fiocche .30 luger and the gun failed to perform on almost every level??? Look like more learning to be done?? What say our resident .30 shooters?

Is this un-usual?... I did measure the OAL and the Fiocchi round was approx. .020" shorter... That would certainly not help.. but I think the culprit is not enough power?... Opinions & experiences welcomed!

... best to all, til...lat'r...GT

THERE'S MORE!
Just got a note that when switched back to WW ammo, worked like a charm!!! ..... so, how do we make it work on both??... Stay tuned! ...

hansfischer007 · 12-19-2014, 10:27 AM

Well...guess its time for me to fess up.....GT worked on the Luger in Question for me........it came in yesterday and the workmanship on it is nothing short of Fantastic....A Beautiful Shooter.....1916 DWM now with a 6" Barrel.....photos will be posted later today......when it came in....immeadiately loaded up 4 mags with Fiocchi 93 Gr. FMJ....went out back of my shop with plans to shoot some mole hills......well...it just flat would not either load..shoot..eject..the whole 9 yards....I came back in and sent GT a note....he answered me back within minutes and Bless him..told me not to worry as he stands by his work..and we will get it working...in his note he mentioned using Winchester ammo.....at our last Military Show...the Dealer set up next to me sold me two yellow box Winchester ammo....93 gr. fmj...so I loaded up 3 mags and went again out back.....only one mishap this time...otherwise they just ripped right out...and locked open after last shot....so now Im going to use nothing but Winchester ammo.......who woulda thunk it.?....well maybe the Germans just don't like the Italians...even when it comes to ammo......to Recap..its a Beautiful shooter.....Thanks again GT......You are a heck of a Good Gunsmith.....Hans Fischer

rhuff · 12-19-2014, 03:57 PM

Glad to hear that the mystery has been solved. My Lugers have been ammo sensitive from the get go. The Fiocchi 93gr JSP ammo is a jam-a-matic in my 30 cal Lugers....the 93gr FMJ do just fine. I don't shoot a lot of the Winchester-Western ammo due to it's cost and I only have a few boxes of it. If memory serves(always a big question), the muzzle velocities between the two brands are very similar. As GT noted, the OAL is different, and can be a cause of problems.

If you have a box of Fiocchi JSP you might try those. Some folks on this forum have had good results with it, I didn't. These old Lugers are a "challenge" to say the least.

I am a handloader so I can adjust the OAL, bullet profile, powder type and load, etc. to try an fine the correct combo that these old sweeties want.

12-18-2014, 04:16 PM	#1
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,546 Thanks: 1,345 Thanked 3,768 Times in 1,025 Posts	Clear sailing! Until you hit a reef! Hello to all! Well, everything was going good until my problem child .30 Luger reached home! I tested the gun on a diet of WW .30 Luger, probably from the 60's or 70's... and that what it finally was using when I thought the tuning was complete! Wellll, not so fast Kemosabe......... The owner is using Fiocche .30 luger and the gun failed to perform on almost every level??? Look like more learning to be done?? What say our resident .30 shooters? Is this un-usual?... I did measure the OAL and the Fiocchi round was approx. .020" shorter... That would certainly not help.. but I think the culprit is not enough power?... Opinions & experiences welcomed! ... best to all, til...lat'r...GT THERE'S MORE! Just got a note that when switched back to WW ammo, worked like a charm!!! ..... so, how do we make it work on both??... Stay tuned! ...

12-19-2014, 10:27 AM	#2
hansfischer007 User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Sunny Tennessee Posts: 233 Thanks: 509 Thanked 96 Times in 48 Posts	GT and The Stubborn "Fraulein" Well...guess its time for me to fess up.....GT worked on the Luger in Question for me........it came in yesterday and the workmanship on it is nothing short of Fantastic....A Beautiful Shooter.....1916 DWM now with a 6" Barrel.....photos will be posted later today......when it came in....immeadiately loaded up 4 mags with Fiocchi 93 Gr. FMJ....went out back of my shop with plans to shoot some mole hills......well...it just flat would not either load..shoot..eject..the whole 9 yards....I came back in and sent GT a note....he answered me back within minutes and Bless him..told me not to worry as he stands by his work..and we will get it working...in his note he mentioned using Winchester ammo.....at our last Military Show...the Dealer set up next to me sold me two yellow box Winchester ammo....93 gr. fmj...so I loaded up 3 mags and went again out back.....only one mishap this time...otherwise they just ripped right out...and locked open after last shot....so now Im going to use nothing but Winchester ammo.......who woulda thunk it.?....well maybe the Germans just don't like the Italians...even when it comes to ammo......to Recap..its a Beautiful shooter.....Thanks again GT......You are a heck of a Good Gunsmith.....Hans Fischer

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12-19-2014, 03:57 PM	#3
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,315 Thanks: 2,757 Thanked 999 Times in 734 Posts	Glad to hear that the mystery has been solved. My Lugers have been ammo sensitive from the get go. The Fiocchi 93gr JSP ammo is a jam-a-matic in my 30 cal Lugers....the 93gr FMJ do just fine. I don't shoot a lot of the Winchester-Western ammo due to it's cost and I only have a few boxes of it. If memory serves(always a big question), the muzzle velocities between the two brands are very similar. As GT noted, the OAL is different, and can be a cause of problems. If you have a box of Fiocchi JSP you might try those. Some folks on this forum have had good results with it, I didn't. These old Lugers are a "challenge" to say the least. I am a handloader so I can adjust the OAL, bullet profile, powder type and load, etc. to try an fine the correct combo that these old sweeties want.