Nice 1900

[ithacaartist]

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

Makes sense.
So, for the sake of conversation, a WW1 4" gun, with the rear sight milled off, and with a repop. Artillery barrel with artillery sight is a SBR if used with an Artillery stock?
dju

Yes, if the barrel is less than 16"

I think it is also possible to re-install an artillery length barrel on one that was originally manufactured as LP.08, which had its barrel changed to one that is less than 4", add the stock, and have a C&R excluded gun. Easy to do with a DMW receiver with the notch on top front, as they were notched because they were made as artilleries. Not so with Erfurt, which notched every pistol frame, after a point, regardless of its final original configuration. Isn't it the case that some reference to what production data is avaliable can result in finding serials numbers within a range of those produced, of what configuration?

[Michael Zeleny]

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

I think it is also possible to re-install an artillery length barrel on one that was originally manufactured as LP.08, which had its barrel changed to one that is less than 4", add the stock, and have a C&R excluded gun. Easy to do with a DMW receiver with the notch on top front, as they were notched because they were made as artilleries. Not so with Erfurt, which notched every pistol frame, after a point, regardless of its final original configuration. Isn't it the case that some reference to what production data is avaliable can result in finding serials numbers within a range of those produced, of what configuration?

Sorry to bear bad news, but any major mechanical modification negates the C&R status. I wouldn't even want to argue about a refinish.

[Edward Tinker]

Originally Posted by Michael Zeleny

Sorry to bear bad news, but any major mechanical modification negates the C&R status. I wouldn't even want to argue about a refinish.

I think it really depends on the degree of major modification / yes, I know what the regulations say.

Still, it just would negate the C&R status to 'modern' FFL standards.

that said; from the BATF

Q: What modifications can be made on C&R firearms without changing their C&R classification?
The definition for curio or relic (“C & R”) firearms found in 27 CFR § 478.11 does not specifically state that a firearm must be in its original condition to be classified as a C&R firearm. However, ATF Ruling 85-10, which discusses the importation of military C&R firearms, notes that they must be in original configuration and adds that a receiver is not a C&R item. Combining this ruling and the definition of C&R firearms, the Firearms Technology Branch (FTB) has concluded that a firearm must be in its original condition to be considered a C&R weapon.
It is also the opinion of FTB, however, that a minor change such as the addition of scope mounts, non-original sights, or sling swivels would not remove a firearm from its original condition. Moreover, we have determined that replacing particular firearms parts with new parts that are made to the original design would also be acceptable-for example, replacing a cracked M1 Grand stock with a new wooden stock of the same design, but replacing the original firearm stock with a plastic stock would change its classification as a C&R item.