Is this DDR refurb but not VoPo issue

[Edward Tinker]

Do you mean that the 1920 as a gov't property stamping?

Your qualifications will be pretty hard to find. Lots with of WW1 that went to Weimar, then served in WW2 and into the East Germany, but finding one with sunburst shield will be hard to find / the Suhl eagle easier... just in my humble opinion

[www.prussia.us]

Yes sir I need a Luger with:

1) Chamber dates of WW1 AND the 1920
e.g. 1915/1920

2) AND a horizontal DDR Suhl eagle proof

3) other markings and East German mixed parts makes it
even more exciting, to Luger collectors they are ugly shooters, to me it is history, so if anyone has one they want to sell please PM me.

Now back to my question with the link, do you guys think it is GDR/DDR refurb? W/o a clear East German proof, I cannot bid anyway, but it has everything else.

[Dwight Gruber]

Originally Posted by www.prussia.us

Yes sir I need a Luger with:

1) Chamber dates of WW1 AND the 1920
e.g. 1915/1920

2) AND a horizontal DDR Suhl eagle proof

3) other markings and East German mixed parts makes it
even more exciting, to Luger collectors they are ugly shooters, to me it is history, so if anyone has one they want to sell please PM me.

Now back to my question with the link, do you guys think it is GDR/DDR refurb? W/o a clear East German proof, I cannot bid anyway, but it has everything else.

This P08 has no characteristics which identify it as a Deutsche Volkspolizei pistol.

--Dwight

[Andyd]

It has been refinished in pretty much the same style like the Vopo 08s but misses the stamps to identify it as such. The absence of the Russian X but C.A.I. stamp makes me wonder if it is even a Russian captured gun, even though some of their x's were scratched or stenciled in hidden places, often the grips replaced with black bakelite grips with lines, not checkering.
The grips on that gun are aftermarket and "gesichert" is not really the maker...

[ithacaartist]

Originally Posted by Andyd

It has been refinished in pretty much the same style like the Vopo 08s ...

The grips on that gun are aftermarket and "gesichert" is not really the maker...

This pistol looks almost Parkerized in the pics. I think it has been cleaned up for refinish by being blasted with some medium or other. Is blasting the typical approach for VoPo refinish?

I've seen listings for Gesichert Lugers before--haven't paid enough attention to tell if it is the same, uninformed person or a series of them. I messaged one such lister last year, but don't know if my pedagogy had any effect. The lower the level of experience/knowledge of the lister, the more bizarre and entertaining the titles and descriptions! Somebody who lists in this manner seems unable or unwilling to crack Wikipedia, at the very least, to ensure their listing reaches the right buyers. I'm perversely amused by such displays of ignorance; even though they don't know the first thing about what they are selling, notice that their prices are usually right up there.