Value and oppinions on a 1936 S/42 I might buy.

wlyon · 06-21-2010, 06:15 PM

I must be abnormal or to old. If the price is right,( or ask for a small reduction) a mismatched toggle pin would not stop me from purchasing. I doubt if the owner ever noticed. I think we expect to much from these old firearms. Just my two cents. Bill

Zamo · 06-22-2010, 01:00 AM

Bill, the note I sent the seller informing him of my decision did include a counter offer to keep it for a reduced sum, but I was looking to pay a premium for what was advertised as an "all matching" collectible piece. I've had eight or nine nice Lugers over the years, and all but one were all matching. Despite the increase in their values over the years, I'm not going to pay a full premium price for a mismatched pistol no matter how relative the values have become. I have lots of firearms, and the passion I have for Lugers in particular is dulled enough from experience, that I can be picky.

We'll see if the seller bites at my reduced offer or not. I'll post the results. They were closed today (Monday) so I'll probably hear from them in the A.M. (Hopefully).
-Chris

deepdarkwoodsman · 06-22-2010, 01:24 AM

Tom/Bill:

I don't want to name names. But this gentleman is a major dealer not located in Texas, Minnesota, Illinois, or Ohio. I will also tell you it is definitely not FGS. I have purchased at least 15 guns from Doug and Ken. Not one was misrepresented and I have been extremely satisfied with every purchase. As a result of my past experience, I will not deal with anyone but FGS.

Bill:

I agree a mismatched toggle pin would not preclude me from purchasing a gun if the price was right. However, if the gun was advertised as "all-matching", I would not be happy to find out the toggle pin was mismatched after the transaction was made. Maybe it was an innocent mistake, but a seller that does not notice this is not someone I would want to deal with.

In my case, the seller represented himself as having "35 years of collecting experience". When an "all-matched black widow rig" from this seller arrives with a mismatched holdopen, a 63-proofed tool, and an after-market spare magazine, it is fraud, plain and simple. This kind of unscrupulous business practice is a disgrace to our hobby.

My point is protect yourself when purchasing items on the internet. Consider paying the extra 3% and use a credit card. The credit card company has the power to make things right in the case of a dispute, you don't. Don't put an item on layaway unless you have seen the gun in person or you have a good relationship with the seller.

Thanks for reading.

Doug

06-21-2010, 06:15 PM	#1
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,683 Thanks: 3,260 Thanked 2,692 Times in 998 Posts	I must be abnormal or to old. If the price is right,( or ask for a small reduction) a mismatched toggle pin would not stop me from purchasing. I doubt if the owner ever noticed. I think we expect to much from these old firearms. Just my two cents. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

06-22-2010, 01:00 AM	#2
Zamo User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 142 Thanks: 4 Thanked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Bill, the note I sent the seller informing him of my decision did include a counter offer to keep it for a reduced sum, but I was looking to pay a premium for what was advertised as an "all matching" collectible piece. I've had eight or nine nice Lugers over the years, and all but one were all matching. Despite the increase in their values over the years, I'm not going to pay a full premium price for a mismatched pistol no matter how relative the values have become. I have lots of firearms, and the passion I have for Lugers in particular is dulled enough from experience, that I can be picky. We'll see if the seller bites at my reduced offer or not. I'll post the results. They were closed today (Monday) so I'll probably hear from them in the A.M. (Hopefully). -Chris __________________ <INSERT WITTY SAYING HERE> My collection: http://home.comcast.net/~gunspotz/guns.htm

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06-22-2010, 01:24 AM	#3
deepdarkwoodsman User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 38 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 1 Post	Tom/Bill: I don't want to name names. But this gentleman is a major dealer not located in Texas, Minnesota, Illinois, or Ohio. I will also tell you it is definitely not FGS. I have purchased at least 15 guns from Doug and Ken. Not one was misrepresented and I have been extremely satisfied with every purchase. As a result of my past experience, I will not deal with anyone but FGS. Bill: I agree a mismatched toggle pin would not preclude me from purchasing a gun if the price was right. However, if the gun was advertised as "all-matching", I would not be happy to find out the toggle pin was mismatched after the transaction was made. Maybe it was an innocent mistake, but a seller that does not notice this is not someone I would want to deal with. In my case, the seller represented himself as having "35 years of collecting experience". When an "all-matched black widow rig" from this seller arrives with a mismatched holdopen, a 63-proofed tool, and an after-market spare magazine, it is fraud, plain and simple. This kind of unscrupulous business practice is a disgrace to our hobby. My point is protect yourself when purchasing items on the internet. Consider paying the extra 3% and use a credit card. The credit card company has the power to make things right in the case of a dispute, you don't. Don't put an item on layaway unless you have seen the gun in person or you have a good relationship with the seller. Thanks for reading. Doug