Luger Artillery Pistol

Thor · 01-01-2010, 09:23 AM

It sounds like the Trigger is not resetting. If it ejects and chambers okay, ammo is of sufficient power. There is a lot of info on this problem, as it is common, in the other sections.
Lugerdoc or Hugh can also tell you how to fix it. Read about it here
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=16187

Sometimes it is over rotation of the trigger lever (part 108) located inside the sideplate and sometimes a weak sear bar (018) PLUNGER spring (disconnector spring) and sometimes a very strong sear bar leaf spring (019)can do this too. When you release the trigger after releasing the firing pin and the action has cycled you should hear an audible "click" that noise is the plunger on the end of the sear bar popping forward so the gun can be fired again. If this plunger does not come forward the gun will not fire. You can actually watch this take place by removing the toggle train from the gun and reassemblying it without the train(breechblock, front and rear toggle links) and sliding the barrelled receiver back and forth while you work the trigger. You should see the plunger pop forward when you release the trigger. DONT DONT DONT try and bend the trigger lever as it is hardened and you will only have a broken one. SOMETIMES an over rotation will even result in a trigger lever scratch or bluing removal on the side of the receiver like this picture.

If the trigger lever is rotating far enough to scratch the receiver a lot of times it does not retract enough when you release the trigger for the plunger to get by it. Any gun that comes in to be restored that has this condition, I will reset the trigger lever to clear the receiver by the thickness of a piece of masking tape. That also usually fixes the reset problem. But it could be as simple as needing to replace the plunger spring, you just need to look at everything to see what condition you have that is causing the problem. Lugerdoc usually has these small springs in stock. He is a whiz when it comes to fixing them.

rmc · 01-02-2010, 08:17 AM

Terrific information, Ted. Many thanks! I'm pretty sure I'm not competent to perform any repairs, but hopefully I can find someone who has specific knowledge and experience with Lugers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor

It sounds like the Trigger is not resetting. If it ejects and chambers okay, ammo is of sufficient power. There is a lot of info on this problem, as it is common, in the other sections.
Lugerdoc or Hugh can also tell you how to fix it. Read about it here
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=16187

Sometimes it is over rotation of the trigger lever (part 108) located inside the sideplate and sometimes a weak sear bar (018) PLUNGER spring (disconnector spring) and sometimes a very strong sear bar leaf spring (019)can do this too. When you release the trigger after releasing the firing pin and the action has cycled you should hear an audible "click" that noise is the plunger on the end of the sear bar popping forward so the gun can be fired again. If this plunger does not come forward the gun will not fire. You can actually watch this take place by removing the toggle train from the gun and reassemblying it without the train(breechblock, front and rear toggle links) and sliding the barrelled receiver back and forth while you work the trigger. You should see the plunger pop forward when you release the trigger. DONT DONT DONT try and bend the trigger lever as it is hardened and you will only have a broken one. SOMETIMES an over rotation will even result in a trigger lever scratch or bluing removal on the side of the receiver like this picture.

If the trigger lever is rotating far enough to scratch the receiver a lot of times it does not retract enough when you release the trigger for the plunger to get by it. Any gun that comes in to be restored that has this condition, I will reset the trigger lever to clear the receiver by the thickness of a piece of masking tape. That also usually fixes the reset problem. But it could be as simple as needing to replace the plunger spring, you just need to look at everything to see what condition you have that is causing the problem. Lugerdoc usually has these small springs in stock. He is a whiz when it comes to fixing them.

Thor · 01-02-2010, 11:21 AM

rmc,this is really a common problem we run into alot. Lugerdoc, Hugh or myself could do the repairs for you. Where are you located? I see Lugerdoc said NORVA but I didnt see where he got that from so if I missed something, forgive me. I would certainly take it to someone that works on Lugers. Lugerdoc would have any spare parts needed and his repair might be the fastest too.

rmc · 01-02-2010, 12:06 PM

Hello, Thor.

Unfortunately, I live in Massachusetts so it would require shipping my Luger. I already e-mailed Luger Doc and I plan on calling him on Monday during business hours. I'm a little hesitant to ship it for fear of something happening to it in the mail. Would you happen to have any recommendations on a reputable gunsmith in the eastern Massachusetts area?

Many thanks. Ralph

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor

rmc,this is really a common problem we run into alot. Lugerdoc, Hugh or myself could do the repairs for you. Where are you located? I see Lugerdoc said NORVA but I didnt see where he got that from so if I missed something, forgive me. I would certainly take it to someone that works on Lugers. Lugerdoc would have any spare parts needed and his repair might be the fastest too.

alvin · 01-09-2010, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rmc

Hello, Thor.

Unfortunately, I live in Massachusetts so it would require shipping my Luger. I already e-mailed Luger Doc and I plan on calling him on Monday during business hours. I'm a little hesitant to ship it for fear of something happening to it in the mail. Would you happen to have any recommendations on a reputable gunsmith in the eastern Massachusetts area?

Many thanks. Ralph

If still looking for a gunmaster in the local area.....

http://laroccagunworks.com/

rmc · 01-09-2010, 05:32 PM

Thanks, Alvin. Yes, I've spoken with Mike Larocca a couple of times over the phone. He seems like a very knowledgeable individual and his experience is quite impressive. I'm going to try to get out to see him one of these days. Thanks for taking the time to write me.

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Originally Posted by alvin

If still looking for a gunmaster in the local area.....

http://laroccagunworks.com/

01-01-2010, 09:23 AM	#1
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 971 Times in 277 Posts	It sounds like the Trigger is not resetting. If it ejects and chambers okay, ammo is of sufficient power. There is a lot of info on this problem, as it is common, in the other sections. Lugerdoc or Hugh can also tell you how to fix it. Read about it here http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=16187 Sometimes it is over rotation of the trigger lever (part 108) located inside the sideplate and sometimes a weak sear bar (018) PLUNGER spring (disconnector spring) and sometimes a very strong sear bar leaf spring (019)can do this too. When you release the trigger after releasing the firing pin and the action has cycled you should hear an audible "click" that noise is the plunger on the end of the sear bar popping forward so the gun can be fired again. If this plunger does not come forward the gun will not fire. You can actually watch this take place by removing the toggle train from the gun and reassemblying it without the train(breechblock, front and rear toggle links) and sliding the barrelled receiver back and forth while you work the trigger. You should see the plunger pop forward when you release the trigger. DONT DONT DONT try and bend the trigger lever as it is hardened and you will only have a broken one. SOMETIMES an over rotation will even result in a trigger lever scratch or bluing removal on the side of the receiver like this picture. If the trigger lever is rotating far enough to scratch the receiver a lot of times it does not retract enough when you release the trigger for the plunger to get by it. Any gun that comes in to be restored that has this condition, I will reset the trigger lever to clear the receiver by the thickness of a piece of masking tape. That also usually fixes the reset problem. But it could be as simple as needing to replace the plunger spring, you just need to look at everything to see what condition you have that is causing the problem. Lugerdoc usually has these small springs in stock. He is a whiz when it comes to fixing them. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Last edited by Thor; 01-01-2010 at 10:26 AM.

01-02-2010, 11:21 AM	#3
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 971 Times in 277 Posts	rmc,this is really a common problem we run into alot. Lugerdoc, Hugh or myself could do the repairs for you. Where are you located? I see Lugerdoc said NORVA but I didnt see where he got that from so if I missed something, forgive me. I would certainly take it to someone that works on Lugers. Lugerdoc would have any spare parts needed and his repair might be the fastest too. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

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