Bulgarian 08 Crests

drbuster · 02-01-2009, 11:44 AM

Vern, you have presented a very interesting array of 1908 Bulgarian crests, including mine (271c). I share Ron Wood's question about #38xx. Is it the outside border on each side? Also, I for one, would like to hear your detailed explanation of why "c" preceeded "ns". Thanks again for starting this thread.

LugerVern · 02-01-2009, 01:17 PM

DR/Ron

The broken die has sections missing on the right and left sections of the crown as Dr noted and if you look closely you will see that it has actually separated from the lower section.

This theory of the "C" suffix being the original series is based on the style of crest being broken. If this die came second then the "C" suffix guns would all have the newer variation of the crest and they do not.

Ever wonder why StillÃ¢??s SN 3877 looks so great, could be because itÃ¢??s a nearly new die?

If you exam Bulgarian rifles of the 1904 to 1909 time frame you will see that they have a large letter suffix after the serial number. This leads me to believe that the "C" suffix is something Bulgaria requested from the manufactures. Maybe a manufacture code or a designation for the gun itself.

What was it that the Germans originally called the Luger? DidnÃ¢??t it start with an Ã¢??SÃ¢?Â and Ã¢??CÃ¢?Â is the same as an Ã¢??SÃ¢?Â in Bulgaria. (Just a shot in the dark on this) .

It would be great if we could get more members to post pictures of their 08 BulgarianÃ¢??s , I know a lot of them are in bad shape from hard use. Until then this will be just an alternate theory but at least as good as the original one that the Ã¢??CÃ¢?Â is some sort of series designation.

At the very least we know for sure that there are two variations of 08 Bulgarian Dies and we have gained a little more knowledge.

Thanks for responding

Vern

sheepherder · 04-11-2016, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LugerVern

It would be great if we could get more members to post pictures of their 08 BulgarianÃ¢??s

It would be great if there were some pictures posted here so we could know what you guys are talking about...

John Sabato · 04-11-2016, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

It would be great if there were some pictures posted here so we could know what you guys are talking about...

F-i-x-e-d!
It would be great if there were ANY pictures posted here so we could SEE what you guys are talking about...

sheepherder · 04-11-2016, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by John Sabato

It would be great if there were ANY pictures posted here so we could SEE what you guys are talking about...

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Originally Posted by spacecoast

Sorry guys, here's a sample of some representative crests.

Bwahahahaha!!! Pics posted to and linked from PhotoBucket!!!

Oh, I could see that coming!!!

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02-01-2009, 11:44 AM	#1
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Vern, you have presented a very interesting array of 1908 Bulgarian crests, including mine (271c). I share Ron Wood's question about #38xx. Is it the outside border on each side? Also, I for one, would like to hear your detailed explanation of why "c" preceeded "ns". Thanks again for starting this thread.

02-01-2009, 01:17 PM	#2
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	DR/Ron The broken die has sections missing on the right and left sections of the crown as Dr noted and if you look closely you will see that it has actually separated from the lower section. This theory of the "C" suffix being the original series is based on the style of crest being broken. If this die came second then the "C" suffix guns would all have the newer variation of the crest and they do not. Ever wonder why StillÃ¢??s SN 3877 looks so great, could be because itÃ¢??s a nearly new die? If you exam Bulgarian rifles of the 1904 to 1909 time frame you will see that they have a large letter suffix after the serial number. This leads me to believe that the "C" suffix is something Bulgaria requested from the manufactures. Maybe a manufacture code or a designation for the gun itself. What was it that the Germans originally called the Luger? DidnÃ¢??t it start with an Ã¢??SÃ¢?Â and Ã¢??CÃ¢?Â is the same as an Ã¢??SÃ¢?Â in Bulgaria. (Just a shot in the dark on this) . It would be great if we could get more members to post pictures of their 08 BulgarianÃ¢??s , I know a lot of them are in bad shape from hard use. Until then this will be just an alternate theory but at least as good as the original one that the Ã¢??CÃ¢?Â is some sort of series designation. At the very least we know for sure that there are two variations of 08 Bulgarian Dies and we have gained a little more knowledge. Thanks for responding Vern