LF Member, Kelly, Help...

Pete Ebbink · 12-15-2004, 12:53 PM

Member, Kelly, would like to know what the letter suffix on his luger might be and whether the blued magazine is proper and what the spotting might be...

Here are some photos sent :

ToggleTop · 12-15-2004, 04:52 PM

Pete,

I don't know about the spotting and magazine finish, but the suffix appears to be a "Z'. We need to know the chamber date and toggle marking to determine for sure the magazine finish. Hope this is of help!

Regards,

minigun · 12-15-2004, 05:14 PM

Thanks again Pete for helping me on the posting. The chamber date is "1937" (No strawed parts). Toggle marking is S/42. The mags are not matching numerically to the gun. The suffix looks a whole lot like a "k" or an "X", but it is just really hard to tell and everything I looked up I can't find an accurate representation for it. Due to my camera, this was the best I could get from a pic. Thanks in advance for all help.

Strider · 12-15-2004, 05:15 PM

Hi Pete and Kelly,
I took a close look at the suffix you have pictured and compared it to the photos that Ed has collected and it appears to me to be an X. It matches up with those examples pretty well. I also compared it to the photo I have of my Z suffix and it does not look like that one. Hope this helps.

Sid.

Pete Ebbink · 12-15-2004, 05:51 PM

Hi Kelly,

Glad I can help...

Hopefully, John D's pending upgrades may result in a easier way to upload photos.

I suspect many more members would do so but have not been able to master the technique here on the Luger Forum...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

ToggleTop · 12-15-2004, 07:26 PM

minigun,

I stand by the "Z" suffix. The proper magazine would be the blued rolled metal as pictured with the solid aluminum base. This style "Z" is found on the 1937-S/42 pistols. Can you get a closeup of the suffix?

Regards,

Frank · 12-15-2004, 08:31 PM

Hey Toggletop, I'm with you, it's a Z. Looks just the the 1937 Z-Block I have!!

These darn suffix letters are tough to decipher. There are small differences among the 1937, 1939 and 1941 Z's

minigun · 12-16-2004, 09:33 AM

Hello everyone,
Yeah, I can sure try and get a better photo, maybe some sort of different lighting is in order. Due to the area the suffix is in (close to the fold of the receiver and the way the light hits it) it's really hard to get a good shot of it. Of course I'm actually looking at the real thing where you all have to look at it on a 2 demintional scale, but I myself would go with an "X". A "Z" is close but I don't know.

So what do you all think of the way the bluing spotted on the mag? Is that a normal thing?

If it's okay with Pete, I'll send him hopefully a better photo. I'm not with my stuff right now, so it might be a day or so.

Thanks, Kelly

Tomathvl · 12-16-2004, 10:01 AM

Kelly,
It would be better if the camera angle were straight on looking at the letter even if a little further away if you can't get close.
Tom

Tomathvl · 12-16-2004, 10:04 AM

Mouse went berserk. My story and I'm sticking to it.

Tomathvl · 12-16-2004, 10:07 AM

Sorry about the hiccups. OBTY, based on what's available to look at I vote for "X" as it appears like the 2 "X"'s I have.
Tom

Ron Wood · 12-16-2004, 10:18 AM

Looks like there is a crossbar on the letter, which would make it a "z"
The spotting looks like the results of a spray. Opening a Coke can near the gun and not cleaning it up immediately will produce similar results. Ask any gunshow displayer who has had some guns messed up by some dolt spilling his softdrink.

Strider · 12-16-2004, 02:56 PM

Here is a photo with Kelly's suffix and one from the photos Ed has collected. Kelly's is on the left.

What do think? I still say that it is an X.

Sid.

John Sabato · 12-16-2004, 03:17 PM

I also vote for an "X"...

Ron Wood · 12-16-2004, 06:14 PM

That's x-zactly what I thought it was (a bit after the fact)!

ToggleTop · 12-16-2004, 08:48 PM

Hello My Fellow Nuts,

I will step in the hot water one more time. I want you to keep in mind I only have one eye. So taking that into account I have also posted an image of what I see and what I have seen on the "Z" suffix block of 1937-S/42 pistols. It is a difficult suffix to figure out. I once had a luger enthusiast stand at my table at a gun show and examine a 1937-S/42 pistol in the "Z" suffix. After about an hour he still could not tell what he was looking at. Maybe I don't know what in the hell I'm looking at either. But here is what I see.

ZZZZZZZZClick on the Z's.

Regards,

Thor · 12-16-2004, 09:20 PM

I think it is an X! HEre is the "Z" off Sid's Luger sans finish!

And the Z from Ed Tinker's examples.

ToggleTop · 12-16-2004, 09:54 PM

Hello Thor,

The "Z" suffixes are not the same for all the Mauser variations with the "Z" suffix. Ed's suffix is not what you will find on a 1937-S/42 luger.

Regards,

Thor · 12-16-2004, 10:44 PM

You are propably right, the two were taken from a 1939 and 1940. Point taken! (I still think it is an X)

minigun · 12-17-2004, 09:54 AM

Okay, I looked a little closer. It might actually be a "Y". I emailed Pete a better pic of the suffix. This pic is the best of about eight that I tried. Hope this helps. There will also be a pic of this Luger's barrel. I'm trying to figure out what happened to the finish on it. The finish spotted, but just on the barrel.

Also, I'd go with Ron on the mag spotting. The Luger dealer I bought it from sets up a lot at the Dallas show and it wouldn't surprise me if that might have happened at one time. There's no other possible explaination of the mag spotting?

Thanks everyone.

12-15-2004, 12:53 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	LF Member, Kelly, Help... Member, Kelly, would like to know what the letter suffix on his luger might be and whether the blued magazine is proper and what the spotting might be... Here are some photos sent :

12-15-2004, 04:52 PM	#2
ToggleTop User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: TN Posts: 297 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pete, I don't know about the spotting and magazine finish, but the suffix appears to be a "Z'. We need to know the chamber date and toggle marking to determine for sure the magazine finish. Hope this is of help! Regards, __________________ *********************** ToggleTop************* JustHappenToLoveLugers *************************

12-15-2004, 05:15 PM	#4
Strider User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 256 Thanks: 26 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Pete and Kelly, I took a close look at the suffix you have pictured and compared it to the photos that Ed has collected and it appears to me to be an X. It matches up with those examples pretty well. I also compared it to the photo I have of my Z suffix and it does not look like that one. Hope this helps. Sid. __________________ Sid. Patience is a bitter plant, but it has sweet fruit. ~German Proverb If it is made before 1930 ..........It is a prototype.

12-15-2004, 07:26 PM	#6
ToggleTop User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: TN Posts: 297 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	minigun, I stand by the "Z" suffix. The proper magazine would be the blued rolled metal as pictured with the solid aluminum base. This style "Z" is found on the 1937-S/42 pistols. Can you get a closeup of the suffix? Regards, __________________ *********************** ToggleTop************* JustHappenToLoveLugers *************************

12-16-2004, 10:18 AM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Looks like there is a crossbar on the letter, which would make it a "z" The spotting looks like the results of a spray. Opening a Coke can near the gun and not cleaning it up immediately will produce similar results. Ask any gunshow displayer who has had some guns messed up by some dolt spilling his softdrink. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-15-2004, 05:14 PM	#3
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 15 Thanked 19 Times in 14 Posts	Thanks again Pete for helping me on the posting. The chamber date is "1937" (No strawed parts). Toggle marking is S/42. The mags are not matching numerically to the gun. The suffix looks a whole lot like a "k" or an "X", but it is just really hard to tell and everything I looked up I can't find an accurate representation for it. Due to my camera, this was the best I could get from a pic. Thanks in advance for all help.

12-15-2004, 05:51 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Kelly, Glad I can help... Hopefully, John D's pending upgrades may result in a easier way to upload photos. I suspect many more members would do so but have not been able to master the technique here on the Luger Forum... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

12-15-2004, 08:31 PM	#7
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Hey Toggletop, I'm with you, it's a Z. Looks just the the 1937 Z-Block I have!! These darn suffix letters are tough to decipher. There are small differences among the 1937, 1939 and 1941 Z's

12-16-2004, 09:33 AM	#8
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 15 Thanked 19 Times in 14 Posts	Hello everyone, Yeah, I can sure try and get a better photo, maybe some sort of different lighting is in order. Due to the area the suffix is in (close to the fold of the receiver and the way the light hits it) it's really hard to get a good shot of it. Of course I'm actually looking at the real thing where you all have to look at it on a 2 demintional scale, but I myself would go with an "X". A "Z" is close but I don't know. So what do you all think of the way the bluing spotted on the mag? Is that a normal thing? If it's okay with Pete, I'll send him hopefully a better photo. I'm not with my stuff right now, so it might be a day or so. Thanks, Kelly

12-16-2004, 10:01 AM	#9
Tomathvl User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Milan, IN Posts: 363 Thanks: 3 Thanked 48 Times in 19 Posts	Kelly, It would be better if the camera angle were straight on looking at the letter even if a little further away if you can't get close. Tom

12-16-2004, 10:04 AM	#10
Tomathvl User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Milan, IN Posts: 363 Thanks: 3 Thanked 48 Times in 19 Posts	Mouse went berserk. My story and I'm sticking to it.

12-16-2004, 10:07 AM	#11
Tomathvl User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Milan, IN Posts: 363 Thanks: 3 Thanked 48 Times in 19 Posts	Sorry about the hiccups. OBTY, based on what's available to look at I vote for "X" as it appears like the 2 "X"'s I have. Tom

12-16-2004, 02:56 PM	#13
Strider User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 256 Thanks: 26 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here is a photo with Kelly's suffix and one from the photos Ed has collected. Kelly's is on the left. What do think? I still say that it is an X. Sid. __________________ Sid. Patience is a bitter plant, but it has sweet fruit. ~German Proverb If it is made before 1930 ..........It is a prototype.

12-16-2004, 03:17 PM	#14
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I also vote for an "X"... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-16-2004, 06:14 PM	#15
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	That's x-zactly what I thought it was (a bit after the fact)! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-16-2004, 08:48 PM	#16
ToggleTop User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: TN Posts: 297 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello My Fellow Nuts, I will step in the hot water one more time. I want you to keep in mind I only have one eye. So taking that into account I have also posted an image of what I see and what I have seen on the "Z" suffix block of 1937-S/42 pistols. It is a difficult suffix to figure out. I once had a luger enthusiast stand at my table at a gun show and examine a 1937-S/42 pistol in the "Z" suffix. After about an hour he still could not tell what he was looking at. Maybe I don't know what in the hell I'm looking at either. But here is what I see. ZZZZZZZZClick on the Z's. Regards, __________________ *********************** ToggleTop************* JustHappenToLoveLugers *************************

12-16-2004, 09:20 PM	#17
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	I think it is an X! HEre is the "Z" off Sid's Luger sans finish! And the Z from Ed Tinker's examples. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

12-16-2004, 09:54 PM	#18
ToggleTop User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: TN Posts: 297 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello Thor, The "Z" suffixes are not the same for all the Mauser variations with the "Z" suffix. Ed's suffix is not what you will find on a 1937-S/42 luger. Regards, __________________ *********************** ToggleTop************* JustHappenToLoveLugers *************************

12-16-2004, 10:44 PM	#19
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	You are propably right, the two were taken from a 1939 and 1940. Point taken! (I still think it is an X) __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

12-17-2004, 09:54 AM	#20
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 15 Thanked 19 Times in 14 Posts	Okay, I looked a little closer. It might actually be a "Y". I emailed Pete a better pic of the suffix. This pic is the best of about eight that I tried. Hope this helps. There will also be a pic of this Luger's barrel. I'm trying to figure out what happened to the finish on it. The finish spotted, but just on the barrel. Also, I'd go with Ron on the mag spotting. The Luger dealer I bought it from sets up a lot at the Dallas show and it wouldn't surprise me if that might have happened at one time. There's no other possible explaination of the mag spotting? Thanks everyone.

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