Grips recut

trigger643 · 02-15-2008, 08:54 PM

I need some checkering freshened up, who does that? Thor had them done on my AE, but I don't remember who did them.

var99 · 02-15-2008, 09:40 PM

That would be Hugh Clark I expect, he does a great job and has done a lot of grips for forum members. hhclark@wildblue.net

regards,

Vince

lugerholsterrepair · 02-15-2008, 09:58 PM

Yup! Hugh's the one you want...Does an excellent job. Fairly priced too.
Jerry Burney

trigger643 · 02-16-2008, 08:16 AM

thank you very much

Rod WMG · 02-16-2008, 10:25 AM

Yes, you will be pleased with Hugh's work.

SIGP2101 · 03-03-2008, 10:36 AM

What is the typical checkering LPIÃ¢??s for Luger grips?

John Sabato · 03-03-2008, 02:36 PM

According to the 1913 Luger blueprints, the checkering is 1.3mm apart and is accomplished at an angle of 19 degrees...

1.3 millimeters = 0.0511811024 inches

so ROUGHLY 19.538461524033136105329376414526 lines per inch.

You can answer so many of these types of questions if you have your own set of these blueprints... they are a fascinating study...

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SIGP2101 · 03-03-2008, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by John Sabato

1.3 millimeters = 0.0511811024 inches

Thank you very much John

Ron Wood · 03-03-2008, 03:57 PM

I have always told folks that the checkering is 20 lines per inch, which is an easily available checkering tool, and I bet no one will notice that it is not 19.538461524033136105329376414526 lines per inch.

John Sabato · 03-03-2008, 04:05 PM

But Ron,

Does that mean that you have a 0.461538475966863894670623585474 inch checkering overrun? That would be unsightly!

Hugh · 03-04-2008, 07:34 PM

I use a 20LPI, 75 Degree tool for Luger grips. Checkering tools come in 60 deg, 75 deg, and 90 deg angles to the sides of the cutter. Most American checkering is 90 deg, most European is supposed to be 60 deg, but 75 deg is the closest to that found on 95 % of Luger grips.

I occasionally run across Luger grips that are 18 LPI.

It seems that most Luger grips, except for early ones, are not uniform in the line spacing, and tend to widen as they near the edges of the grips.

Edward Tinker · 03-04-2008, 08:13 PM

In your opnion Hugh, were they originally hand checkered, machine pressed or cut?

Ed

John Sabato · 03-05-2008, 03:57 PM

I don't know about Hugh's opinion, but while we are waiting for it, let me add mine.

Pressed checkering, such as that found on older Remington and Winchester rifles, causes the pattern to be pressed into the wood, not outward...

The result is more like diamond shaped holes...which form the pattern.

Pressing checkering on curved surfaces like Luger grips, would be a risky proposition which would likely result in a lot of cracking during the manufacturing process... I think it is highly unlikely that Luger grips used pressed checkering.

I have never seen an original Luger with wood grips that looked like it had anything but cut checkering... which results in diamond shaped bumps instead of holes...much better for a gripping surface.

Hugh · 03-06-2008, 12:33 AM

I think that the early DWM grips were hand checkered as they show a much better attention to the spacing and overall pattern. It is possible that later wartime grips may have been done with some type of hand held power tool. An awful lot of them show a widening of the spacing at the edge of the grips which would be a lot more easy to do with a power tool than with a hand cutter. On the other hand, however, if workers were hard pressed to produce quantity rather than quality under war time conditions, it would be easy to get careless as you neared the edge of the grip and let the tool wander.

I don't remember if this subject was mentioned in Datig's book or not.

02-15-2008, 08:54 PM	#1
trigger643 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Murfreesboro Posts: 502 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Grips recut I need some checkering freshened up, who does that? Thor had them done on my AE, but I don't remember who did them. __________________ "There are three reasons to own a gun: To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face." Ã¢?? Krusty the Clown

02-15-2008, 09:58 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Yup! Hugh's the one you want...Does an excellent job. Fairly priced too. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

02-16-2008, 08:16 AM	#4
trigger643 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Murfreesboro Posts: 502 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	thank you very much __________________ "There are three reasons to own a gun: To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face." Ã¢?? Krusty the Clown

03-03-2008, 02:36 PM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	According to the 1913 Luger blueprints, the checkering is 1.3mm apart and is accomplished at an angle of 19 degrees... 1.3 millimeters = 0.0511811024 inches so ROUGHLY 19.538461524033136105329376414526 lines per inch. You can answer so many of these types of questions if you have your own set of these blueprints... they are a fascinating study... See my ad in the FOR SALE forum... (Yes, another shameless commercial!) __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-03-2008, 03:57 PM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,036 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,247 Times in 1,720 Posts	I have always told folks that the checkering is 20 lines per inch, which is an easily available checkering tool, and I bet no one will notice that it is not 19.538461524033136105329376414526 lines per inch. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-15-2008, 09:40 PM	#2
var99 User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: FL Posts: 114 Thanks: 4 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	That would be Hugh Clark I expect, he does a great job and has done a lot of grips for forum members. hhclark@wildblue.net regards, Vince

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Rod WMG User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Edge of Texas Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes, you will be pleased with Hugh's work.

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SIGP2101 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 256 Thanks: 74 Thanked 67 Times in 32 Posts	What is the typical checkering LPIÃ¢??s for Luger grips?

03-03-2008, 04:05 PM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	But Ron, Does that mean that you have a 0.461538475966863894670623585474 inch checkering overrun? That would be unsightly! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-04-2008, 07:34 PM	#11
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 166 Times in 65 Posts	I use a 20LPI, 75 Degree tool for Luger grips. Checkering tools come in 60 deg, 75 deg, and 90 deg angles to the sides of the cutter. Most American checkering is 90 deg, most European is supposed to be 60 deg, but 75 deg is the closest to that found on 95 % of Luger grips. I occasionally run across Luger grips that are 18 LPI. It seems that most Luger grips, except for early ones, are not uniform in the line spacing, and tend to widen as they near the edges of the grips. __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

03-04-2008, 08:13 PM	#12
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,963 Thanks: 2,064 Thanked 4,593 Times in 2,115 Posts	In your opnion Hugh, were they originally hand checkered, machine pressed or cut? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-05-2008, 03:57 PM	#13
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	I don't know about Hugh's opinion, but while we are waiting for it, let me add mine. Pressed checkering, such as that found on older Remington and Winchester rifles, causes the pattern to be pressed into the wood, not outward... The result is more like diamond shaped holes...which form the pattern. Pressing checkering on curved surfaces like Luger grips, would be a risky proposition which would likely result in a lot of cracking during the manufacturing process... I think it is highly unlikely that Luger grips used pressed checkering. I have never seen an original Luger with wood grips that looked like it had anything but cut checkering... which results in diamond shaped bumps instead of holes...much better for a gripping surface. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-06-2008, 12:33 AM	#14
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 166 Times in 65 Posts	I think that the early DWM grips were hand checkered as they show a much better attention to the spacing and overall pattern. It is possible that later wartime grips may have been done with some type of hand held power tool. An awful lot of them show a widening of the spacing at the edge of the grips which would be a lot more easy to do with a power tool than with a hand cutter. On the other hand, however, if workers were hard pressed to produce quantity rather than quality under war time conditions, it would be easy to get careless as you neared the edge of the grip and let the tool wander. I don't remember if this subject was mentioned in Datig's book or not. __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*